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By Pazuzu
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#364184
Thanks for the answer. Could you please provide some evidence for your ruling? I also think it works this way, but then I found this glossary entry for artifacts:
“Earned” is synonymous with “acquired.” Cards seeded like artifacts are earned or acquired in the same way as artifacts.
And thank you for making me not feeling stupid :-) Maybe we can get an official ruling on this.
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By pfti (Jon Carter)
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#364191
Pazuzu wrote:Thanks for the answer. Could you please provide some evidence for your ruling? I also think it works this way, but then I found this glossary entry for artifacts:
“Earned” is synonymous with “acquired.” Cards seeded like artifacts are earned or acquired in the same way as artifacts.
And thank you for making me not feeling stupid :-) Maybe we can get an official ruling on this.
Because it is not seeded like an artifact (artifacts cannot seed under time locations) this rule does not apply

Any any Zefram Cochrane may acquire a phoenix under Montana missle complex as a normal action.
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By TyKajada (Alexander Schmitz)
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#364222
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So if the points are not retroactive but rather conditional to the status of the Phoenix (in orbit at time mission completion), these points cannot be taken away by blowing up the Phoenix later right?

- So I solve a mission before Launch the Phoenix is complete +0 points
- Launch the Phoenix complete (no additional 5 points for completed mission)
- I solve another mission.. +5 points (these are not bonus points but mission points? They cannot be taken away by Khan! ?)
- Phoenix gets destroyed, I still keep my 5 points from my last mission?

Correct ?

:D
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By Pazuzu
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#364246
TyKajada wrote:.

So if the points are not retroactive but rather conditional to the status of the Phoenix (in orbit at time mission completion), these points cannot be taken away by blowing up the Phoenix later right?

- So I solve a mission before Launch the Phoenix is complete +0 points
- Launch the Phoenix complete (no additional 5 points for completed mission)
- I solve another mission.. +5 points (these are not bonus points but mission points? They cannot be taken away by Khan! ?)
- Phoenix gets destroyed, I still keep my 5 points from my last mission?

Correct ?

:D
I would say so.
Regarding bonus points, LtP says the mission itself worths +5 points. So I would judge these are no bonus points, too.
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By Boffo97 (Dave Hines)
 - Gamma Quadrant
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#364289
pfti wrote:Any any Zefram Cochrane may acquire a phoenix under Montana missle complex as a normal action.
Not just any... but any any. Double any.

Now I want a TOS Zefram from "The Metamorphosis".
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By TyKajada (Alexander Schmitz)
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#364346
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What always puzzles me with MMC is the phrase "seed Phoenix beneath this location from outside the game".
Does this mean the Phoenix is not part of the seed deck, hence not part of the max seed of 30? She basically seeds free?

Thanks
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#364349
TyKajada wrote:.

What always puzzles me with MMC is the phrase "seed Phoenix beneath this location from outside the game".
Does this mean the Phoenix is not part of the seed deck, hence not part of the max seed of 30? She basically seeds free?

Thanks
Yep. Reason is that Borg also need MMC for timeline disruption, and they *can't* have Phoenix in their deck. So hence it comes from a place far beyond our knowledge...
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By TyKajada (Alexander Schmitz)
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#364351
AllenGould wrote:
TyKajada wrote:.

What always puzzles me with MMC is the phrase "seed Phoenix beneath this location from outside the game".
Does this mean the Phoenix is not part of the seed deck, hence not part of the max seed of 30? She basically seeds free?

Thanks
Yep. Reason is that Borg also need MMC for timeline disruption, and they *can't* have Phoenix in their deck. So hence it comes from a place far beyond our knowledge...

Awesome I just gained another seed slot :p
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#364374
TyKajada wrote:
AllenGould wrote:
TyKajada wrote:.

What always puzzles me with MMC is the phrase "seed Phoenix beneath this location from outside the game".
Does this mean the Phoenix is not part of the seed deck, hence not part of the max seed of 30? She basically seeds free?

Thanks
Yep. Reason is that Borg also need MMC for timeline disruption, and they *can't* have Phoenix in their deck. So hence it comes from a place far beyond our knowledge...

Awesome I just gained another seed slot :p
Don't play illegal Borg decks, Alex. That's apparently my thing.
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By winterflames (Derek Marlar)
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#366018
pfti wrote:
Pazuzu wrote:Thanks for the answer. Could you please provide some evidence for your ruling? I also think it works this way, but then I found this glossary entry for artifacts:
“Earned” is synonymous with “acquired.” Cards seeded like artifacts are earned or acquired in the same way as artifacts.
And thank you for making me not feeling stupid :-) Maybe we can get an official ruling on this.
Because it is not seeded like an artifact (artifacts cannot seed under time locations) this rule does not apply

Any any Zefram Cochrane may acquire a phoenix under Montana missle complex as a normal action.
Any any! Dr. Cochrane fun!
 
By jrch5618
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#366020
Does using 'any' in this context include mirror versions? Or is the mirror Cochrane not good enough for the alpha Phoneix?
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By Boffo97 (Dave Hines)
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#366025
winterflames wrote:Any any! Dr. Cochrane fun!
Maybe we'll get a Mirror Earth 2063 time location to launch the Mirror Phoenix from and shoot Mirror Vulcans. :)

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