[Dizzle of Borg]

So I have been working on some OTF decks... but I have a question... since in OTF we can't attempt an opponent's missions (for some reason I can't even imagine), how does that effect Samaritan Snare? Has it been reworded so that it works as was intended, or did the card just get thrown to the wayside, ignored so that no one can ever really use it properly?

[jadziadax8]

I would venture a guess that the text on Samaritan Snare overrides the OTF rule preventing mission stealing.

However, please take this with a grain of salt, as I am primarily a 2E player and in that game card text always overrides the rules.

[pfti]

Note it overrides the attempting clause of the OTF rule (but not the completing clause)

[Se7enofMine]

It should also be noted that you CAN attempt and complete your opponents missions. They need to be universal or have a point box of 40 or more.

So the blanket statement of "can't attempt opponents missions" in the OP isn't accurate.

[BCSWowbagger]

There was a ruling about this years ago (you can find itnin the links in my signature). Samaritan Snare overrides the format rules; you can attempt it and (at least as I understood the ruling) complete it.

This was a somewhat arbitrary ruling to make the card work.

[pfti]

There was a ruling about this years ago (you can find itnin the links in my signature). Samaritan Snare overrides the format rules; you can attempt it and (at least as I understood the ruling) complete it.

This was a somewhat arbitrary ruling to make the card work.

Did I rule that you can complete? -- I couldn't find the blue text

[Jono]

There was a ruling about this years ago (you can find itnin the links in my signature). Samaritan Snare overrides the format rules; you can attempt it and (at least as I understood the ruling) complete it.

This was a somewhat arbitrary ruling to make the card work.

Did I rule that you can complete? -- I couldn't find the blue text

Blue text:
https://www.trekcc.org/forum/viewtopic.p ... an#p226108

[pfti]

I would say that it lets you attempt, but that is all (based on my blue text and reading the OTF rules) Nothing on the card says it overrides the prohibition on solving

[frakkingoff]

Nothing on the card says it overrides the prohibition on solving

The card needs to be read with the context in which it was written. The distinction between "can attempt" and "can solve" did not exist in the PAQ Decipher-era - see "Espionage" cards in Premiere as another example.

It was not written to cover the OTF rules, which would not be created for another 10 years or so down the line. It's clear the original intent of the card was that opponents would be forced to attempt if possible (and complete if successful, earning them a measly 15 points).

Perhaps the card needs errata if OTF makes the distinction between "attempting" and "completing" an important one now - but in the mean-time, it should be ruled according to the original intent of the card and not made to be a casualty of a tangentially-related rule.

[Borg King]

Nothing on the card says it overrides the prohibition on solving

The card needs to be read with the context in which it was written. The distinction between "can attempt" and "can solve" did not exist in the PAQ Decipher-era - see "Espionage" cards in Premiere as another example.

It was not written to cover the OTF rules, which would not be created for another 10 years or so down the line. It's clear the original intent of the card was that opponents would be forced to attempt if possible (and complete if successful, earning them a measly 15 points).

Perhaps the card needs errata if OTF makes the distinction between "attempting" and "completing" an important one now - but in the mean-time, it should be ruled according to the original intent of the card and not made to be a casualty of a tangentially-related rule.

This makes the most sense. If I attempt any mission and clear through the dilemmas and have the necessary requirements remaining I don't get to choose whether or not I want to complete it that turn or not (ie; to use mission specialists to gain bonus points); I just complete the mission automatically. The same should apply here.

[pfti]

Nothing on the card says it overrides the prohibition on solving

The card needs to be read with the context in which it was written. The distinction between "can attempt" and "can solve" did not exist in the PAQ Decipher-era - see "Espionage" cards in Premiere as another example.

It was not written to cover the OTF rules, which would not be created for another 10 years or so down the line. It's clear the original intent of the card was that opponents would be forced to attempt if possible (and complete if successful, earning them a measly 15 points).

Perhaps the card needs errata if OTF makes the distinction between "attempting" and "completing" an important one now - but in the mean-time, it should be ruled according to the original intent of the card and not made to be a casualty of a tangentially-related rule.

This makes the most sense. If I attempt any mission and clear through the dilemmas and have the necessary requirements remaining I don't get to choose whether or not I want to complete it that turn or not (ie; to use mission specialists to gain bonus points); I just complete the mission automatically. The same should apply here.

Fair enough. I have been persuaded that the mission attempt rules make solving part of an attempt. So yes you can solve

[AllenGould]

How does that interact with Fair Play, which prohibits solving (but not attempting)?

[pfti]

Solving is a substep of attempting. So in open, with snare. you can attempt but not solve (same as you could any mission

[Dizzle of Borg]

This is EXACTLY what I was hoping for. The card remains in it's original state, pretty much. I've traditionally used this card a LOT to slow down fast opponents.