[Mogor]

Why is locutus impacted but not data

Because Data of Borg is not human.

As far as story goes and timeline logic, if the earth was erased from the timeline. There would be no Data.

This would be an area that an adjustment to the rules would be appropriate.

[nobthehobbit]

Why is locutus impacted but not data

Because Data of Borg is not human.

As far as story goes and timeline logic, if the earth was erased from the timeline. There would be no Data.

This would be an area that an adjustment to the rules would be appropriate.

Oh, I agree that as far as Trek Sense goes, it's a glaring hole.

[Dizzle of Borg]

Why is locutus impacted but not data

Because Data of Borg is not human.

This would explain why all the decklists I see do not run Locutus.

[pfti]

Why is locutus impacted but not data

Because Data of Borg is not human.

As far as story goes and timeline logic, if the earth was erased from the timeline. There would be no Data.

This would be an area that an adjustment to the rules would be appropriate.

Down that path be dragons...
How many steps would we have to go? Too complicated, would need a crazy glossary of affected cards.

[sexecutioner]

I always get a kick out of Stopping First Contact

[TyKajada]

Why is locutus impacted but not data

Because Data of Borg is not human.

This would explain why all the decklists I see do not run Locutus.

You'll need Locutus as counterpart as target for Assimilate Homeworld first..

This is my STF deck played in 2014 and went 2-2 with it, has 6 Locuti in it..:

https://www.trekcc.org/1e/decklists/ind ... eckID=9936

[Dizzle of Borg]

Wait data can't serve as counterpart for the assimilation of earth?

[Se7enofMine]

You'll need Locutus as counterpart as target for Assimilate Homeworld first..

This is my STF deck played in 2014 and went 2-2 with it, has 6 Locuti in it..:

https://www.trekcc.org/1e/decklists/ind ... eckID=9936

Huh? You dont NEED locutus. You can use Data as your fed counterpart. AT least, I think you can.

[Dizzle of Borg]

Assimilate Homeworld - Plays on table. Target both an unassimilated homeworld on spaceline and your matching counterpart. Your Borg may scout that homeworld. If your counterpart is at that spaceline location, you may probe:

Data of Borg Flavor text- Tempted by flesh, the Soong-type android Data filled Locutus' role as an assimilated counterpart to speak to the Federation.

Seems to me like data can be used to assimilate the fed homeworld. Idk though, I'm not the expert.

[TyKajada]

Assimilate Homeworld - Plays on table. Target both an unassimilated homeworld on spaceline and your matching counterpart. Your Borg may scout that homeworld. If your counterpart is at that spaceline location, you may probe:

Data of Borg Flavor text- Tempted by flesh, the Soong-type android Data filled Locutus' role as an assimilated counterpart to speak to the Federation.

Seems to me like data can be used to assimilate the fed homeworld. Idk though, I'm not the expert.

Maybe you can true, 2014 I guess I didn't notice, but removing Locutus after STF wasn't really a problem either...

[Armus]

Assimilate Homeworld - Plays on table. Target both an unassimilated homeworld on spaceline and your matching counterpart. Your Borg may scout that homeworld. If your counterpart is at that spaceline location, you may probe:

Data of Borg Flavor text- Tempted by flesh, the Soong-type android Data filled Locutus' role as an assimilated counterpart to speak to the Federation.

Seems to me like data can be used to assimilate the fed homeworld. Idk though, I'm not the expert.

Yeah. Either Data or Locutus work. The drawback to Locutus is that he goes away* after SFC is complete, while Data just returns to hand. That makes it harder to Service the Collective on your future objectives.

*Does he though? I thought there was something about time traveling protecting people, but I may be wrong/out of date on that point.

[AllenGould]

Another thing that has NEVER made sense to me, ever since decipher released first contact....was Stop first contact. I dont understand why I would go through all the trouble and cards to do it "the long way" if I can just probe red and assimilate their homeworld anyway. There is no points bonus for stopping first contact, and it is referenced on very few cards... so I don't really see the point other than flavor. Someone in another thread mentioned that most good borg decks play stop first contact, and that is something I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around. There don't seems to be any benefits.

It's only worth it if you're playing v Fed/human, because you get to lock 'em out. Otherwise you might as well just take your Homeworld and move along.

[Se7enofMine]

Another thing that has NEVER made sense to me, ever since decipher released first contact....was Stop first contact. I dont understand why I would go through all the trouble and cards to do it "the long way" if I can just probe red and assimilate their homeworld anyway. There is no points bonus for stopping first contact, and it is referenced on very few cards... so I don't really see the point other than flavor. Someone in another thread mentioned that most good borg decks play stop first contact, and that is something I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around. There don't seems to be any benefits.

It's only worth it if you're playing v Fed/human, because you get to lock 'em out. Otherwise you might as well just take your Homeworld and move along.

But, in your scenario, its a 3 mission win, no matter what. AH is 40. 2x Establish Gateway / Assimilate Planet for 50. 10 for Res is Futile.

SFC is a 2 mission win. SFC/AH is 40. Flip pop 9 bil, establish gateway for 50 + Res is futile.

So sure, if your opponent isnt playing Fed, the lockout factor is lost. But you still only need 2 solves for the win!

The only other 2 mission win for Borg is H010 + AH.

[TyKajada]

Assimilate Homeworld - Plays on table. Target both an unassimilated homeworld on spaceline and your matching counterpart. Your Borg may scout that homeworld. If your counterpart is at that spaceline location, you may probe:

Data of Borg Flavor text- Tempted by flesh, the Soong-type android Data filled Locutus' role as an assimilated counterpart to speak to the Federation.

Seems to me like data can be used to assimilate the fed homeworld. Idk though, I'm not the expert.

Yeah. Either Data or Locutus work. The drawback to Locutus is that he goes away* after SFC is complete, while Data just returns to hand. That makes it harder to Service the Collective on your future objectives.

*Does he though? I thought there was something about time traveling protecting people, but I may be wrong/out of date on that point.

That is a good point, when Locutus is at the time location when timeline disruption occurs he should be fine. I had him always there when it occured.
I honestly don't remember removing him...

[Boffo97]

So here's what *I* say should happen:

Locutus of Borg helps Stop First Contact. Therefore, Earth as we know it no longer exists. So he no longer exists. So he goes poof. So therefore, he did NOT help the Borg Stop First Contact. So he doesn't go poof. But then he DID help the Borg Sto...

"Snake, you've created a time paradox in 2063!"

Both players lose.