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By SudenKapala (Suden Käpälä)
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BCSWowbagger wrote:James's tips for the first game of 1E
These are some very interesting ideas on teaching new players. I don't agree with all of them, but they have obviously been thorougly considered, and most are big improvements for my various efforts.
* Do not give them cards that refer to or rely on things you haven't taught. "Oh that's not important don't worry about that" is both frustrating and intimidating (because the player realizes this is the beginning of the learning process, not the end)
I never thought of it that way, but it may be very true.
* Give them the basics on dilemma resolution ("follow the text; if it has requirements that you fail, everyone is stopped and the dilemma gets reseeded") but don't correct them when they screw up -- not yet.
This is a very interesting point. So far, my way was to present the DRG as part of the "manual" -- "we just look it up here, how it works exactly". For me, that works, because I play Traditional only. But your pointer certainly has more merit!
* Make sure the decks are fun and not sheer solitaire.
What does this mean? Too little interaction? (But I think the potential lack of interaction is hardly noticable in the first few training games, since you're talking and explaining and helping a lot.)
* Tactics aren't as bad as you might think. I've gone both ways on teaching newbies tactics. They are fun, for one, and in many ways they are more straightforward and easier to track than the arbitrary default damage/repair rule. OTOH, their layout is very weird.
This was unexpected.
* Consider just playing Warp Speed. :)
This.
I've been working within the Warp rules, but outside of their regular card pool. I make silly decks from my redundant (common) cards. The idea is, that if a player is interested, I can let them keep the decks, go forth, and multiply. (Not happened yet...)

But, so, I make decks from cards of all expansion sets / properties. With AQ space lines, thus far. It seems to work. Does anybody else have experience with this? It surprises me that I seem to hear so little about Warp Speed...
You can have some amazing and deep, fun, interactive games of 1E within these constraints, and you stand a good chance at keeping the players, too.
Agreed. Another thing I did in the past, to this end, was: make cropped deck list copies of some of my decks, cutting them down to 60 cards, and play within many of BCSW's constraints (e.g., ony the basic card types, only AQ, etc.).
That way, you can show off nice cards and fun themes, but start easy.
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By PantsOfTheTalShiar (Jason Tang)
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The challenge of 1E is the unusual and in-depth rules. The challenge of 2E is mentally tracking the state of the game. Depending on your audience, pick the game where the challenge is a feature of the game and not something you have to apologize for.

I will say that Lucas is actively, publicly making an effort to make 2E accessible, whereas there doesn't appear to be any equivalent on the 1E side. I haven't played his starter decks, but I highly recommend the dilemma pile he uses for them, as it has helped me greatly as a inexperienced 2E player.

Everyone here talks about making the game simple enough, but remember to make it fun, too.
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By bosskamiura (Thomas Kamiura)
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Who knows - but bring them into The Dojo!

TK
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Definately 2E - it is a game explained in half an hour in a way a new player is really able to play a game by himself. The complexity grows with your type of deck and with your decision, how precisly you would like to count opponent's skills and stuff like that.

1E is far more complex from the beginning, even after explaining the basic rules I always see myself play the first few games FOR my new opponent - showing him what he can do, when, why.

Another very important thing for newbies might be the "printed" value of the cards themselves - in 2E almost everything is written on the card and could be explained by just reading it - we all know how thick 1E's Glossary is...

PS: And it's never a failure to show Tribbles around :P

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