Boffo97 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 12, 2020 6:47 pm
To be fair, a lot of the Vulcans we've seen (even before Enterprise) who weren't Spock, Tuvok or their immediate associates were jerks.
I agree. I also think Tuvok was a jerk. Spock was kind of a jerk in "command mode," but I think that was more of a style choice of his own. Spock was never really dismissive of other opinions, even those rooted in emotion. He would often caution against letting emotions take control, but he would always point out how he saw his point of view. How he arrived at his conclusions. Other Vulcans seemed to take it as obvious that if you didn't agree with them, it wasn't because you saw it differently, but rather that you were stupid. One thing I always loved about Tuvok was that he could surprise Janeway. She would suggest that she knew what he was going to say, often the by-the-book option, and instead he would argue the opposite. In my college days, I took that to mean that Tuvok often evaluated other points of view and argued whichever he found most logical. It was a trait that I consciously tried to emulate. I think I might have returned to more knee-jerk reactions in my adult life (I hope not, but I do see it from time to time), but I do find myself re-evaluating based on pushback.
All of that is to say that I admire the Vulcans for many things (and the Klingons and Starfleet), but the tendency to lie to oneself about your nature bothers me. I kind of find myself preferring Kirk to Picard in this aspect.
Kirk: "It's instinctive. But the instinct can be fought. We're human beings with the blood of a million savage years on our hands, but we can stop it. We can admit that we're killers, but we're not going to kill today. That's all it takes. Knowing that we won't kill today."
Picard: "The acquisition of wealth is no longer the driving force in our lives. ...We work to better ourselves ...and the rest of humanity."
I'm cherry-picking, but I hope you see the point.