[monty42]

Larger competitive decks have to include more downloading in their decks to be consistent...

I challenge that premisse.
Large/huge decks don't have to include big download chains to be competitive. i.e. https://www.trekcc.org/decklists/index. ... ckID=34150
If your event/interrupt : personnel ratio doesn't get off, they can play just as well and consistent as small decks.

I see "download" on about 7 or 8 different cards in that deck, several of which are repeatable...

I call 7 or 8 within 85 a less than average ratio. I mean c'mon man, it's less than 10%. I've seen a shitload of < 50 card decks that use a lot more downloads than that. Not to mention that not all of these downloads are senseable and intended to be used.

[Naetor]

Download is such a dumb mechanic in a game where you can draw 7 cards in a single turn.

[monty42]

Download is such a dumb mechanic in a game where you can draw 7 cards in a single turn.

I agree. More dead weight carried over from 1E.

[KillerB]

Download is such a dumb mechanic in a game where you can draw 7 cards in a single turn.

I agree. More dead weight carried over from 1E.

Hey, we all agree on something... It's an Easter Miracle! They should've set a standard a long time ago that any download had to be called out by name (card title). Keep it quick, story mode and simple.

[Latok]

I'll just go ahead and claim that the deck size has very little to do with the games going to time.

Larger competitive decks have to include more downloading in their decks to be consistent (and win more often as a result). Downloading is the #1 timesink in the game. More downloads = more timesinks and longer turns, which translates to more games going to time.

Downloading isn't the #1 time-sink in the game, it's people making decisions.

[KillerB]

Downloading isn't the #1 time-sink in the game, it's people making decisions.

So get rid of people? This shit went Terminator quick...

[monty42]

Hey, if we got rid of people, we'd be having a lot less of these pesky discussions...

[nobthehobbit]

Hey, if we got rid of people, we'd be having a lot less of these pesky discussions...

Time to start working on making Trek-playing AIs...

(For what it's worth, I agree with ML that this should be public knowledge.)

[monty42]

Time to start working on making Trek-playing AIs...

No, no, no... we need to get starting on getting rid of people. We don't care about what's happening to Trek.

[Jono]

Download is such a dumb mechanic in a game where you can draw 7 cards in a single turn.

I agree. More dead weight carried over from 1E.

Hey, we all agree on something... It's an Easter Miracle! They should've set a standard a long time ago that any download had to be called out by name (card title). Keep it quick, story mode and simple.

Good luck remembering all those Jem'hadar names (except the 2 to 3 unique ones always used).

[KillerB]

Hey, if we got rid of people, we'd be having a lot less of these pesky discussions...

It's not the talk that bother me, it's the fact that for 95% of people that's all they're willing to do.

[KillerB]

Good luck remembering all those Jem'hadar names (except the 2 to 3 unique ones always used).

I ever said this before. I call them by the names I give them. Razz-ma-tazz, Ameri-can, Tozar. If that's not good enough for you, you can kiss my ass.

[eberlems]

If I recall correctly I was not allowed to count the cards in my deck before playing The Central Command, but I was allowed to count all my other cards in game, hand, discard pile, brig and out of play and substract from the decksize I remembered.

Ok, that's just stupid. Is that seriously what the current rules say or is this a case of a TD being obtuse?

Smells more like concerns about stalling. But there is a provision for that in the OPG.

Back to answer the question of the thread, the current OPG states:

...

In Second Edition tournaments, any player may count the number of cards remaining in his or her deck. Players are not compelled to share this information with their opponents, but there is no penalty for doing so. Any player may examine the cards in any discard pile or any cards removed from the game at any time. Any player may count the number of face - down cards in a dilemma stack at any time. Any player may request an opponent counts the number of cards in his or her hand and reveals the correct count. A player may not count the number of cards in his or her dilemma pile.

[BCSWowbagger]

Downloading isn't the #1 time-sink in the game, it's people making decisions.

So get rid of people? This shit went Terminator quick...

I think there's other ways to deal with it. Suppose that there was a rule that no player can take longer than ten seconds to make a decision.

Players would make far, far more mistakes... but it would affect both sides of the table evenly, so that's not a huge problem. And it would really speed up those long 3-minute "who should I send on this away mission?" debates (thus, the game).

I've been toying with the idea of having a tournament in my basement where we test this rule out (for 1E).

[monty42]

Downloading isn't the #1 time-sink in the game, it's people making decisions.

So get rid of people? This shit went Terminator quick...

I think there's other ways to deal with it. Suppose that there was a rule that no player can take longer than ten seconds to make a decision.

Players would make far, far more mistakes... but it would affect both sides of the table evenly, so that's not a huge problem. And it would really speed up those long 3-minute "who should I send on this away mission?" debates (thus, the game).

I've been toying with the idea of having a tournament in my basement where we test this rule out (for 1E).

How would you enforce a rule like this?