Armus wrote: ↑Tue Mar 30, 2021 7:51 pm
Citation needed.
The Rulebook, Page 12, 'Facing Dilemmas' wrote:If all the personnel you have attempting a mission are killed, stopped,
or otherwise removed from the mission attempt, your personnel do not
face any remaining dilemmas in your opponent’s dilemma stack. Instead,
those remaining dilemmas are overcome.
Note that this passage says nothing about failing the mission. The rulebook mentions the word "fail" (or a variation thereof) four times, three in reference to failing a mission and one in reference to a dilemma failing to be valid:
The Rulebook, Page 12, 'Checking Mission Requirements' wrote:If you cannot meet the mission’s requirements, your mission attempt
has failed, and all your remaining personnel in that mission attempt are
stopped. You can try again later to attempt that mission on this turn
or following turns, either with different personnel, or with the same
personnel if they become unstopped.
The Rulebook, Page 16, 'attempting missions' wrote:5. Once the dilemma stack is empty and no response actions adding
dilemmas are used, it is time to complete the mission with the
remaining unstopped personnel.
c. Active Player shows all requirements needed to complete the mission.
If he or she cannot, all of the personnel involved are stopped and all
“When . . . fail a mission attempt” triggers and “When . . . mission
attempt fails” triggers process.
The only time you "fail" a mission attempt is in step 5c, as part of Checking Mission Requirements, which you only do with unstopped personnel. If all your personnel are killed, stopped or otherwise removed from the mission attempt, you simply no longer have any personnel attempt the mission and can go about executing other orders.
There was a debate a little while back on this topic with regards to the
U.S.S. Sutherland. It actually left off somewhat ambiguous as to whether you should check requirements with no personnel remaining in the mission attempt. Perhaps we should page the Rules Mistress on that topic. But for Tain (and Retaya), even if it is ruled that you still check requirements with no remaining personnel, that step would still come after all the personnel are stopped and they would have no targets.
For the sake of completeness, here's the other mention of "fail" in the Rulebook:
The Rulebook, Page 16, 'attempting missions' wrote:3.Facing Dilemmas
f. Check dilemma for duplication, type, and cost. If it fails any of these,
it is overcome. Otherwise, the dilemma’s cost is deducted from the
total allowed.
"Save your strength. There'll be another time. The princess - you have to take care of her. You hear me?" -Han Solo to Chewbacca, ESB