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#585777
First I want to congratulate the players who come up with those loopholes.
But I agree that those strategies are a problem.
I think there are rather simple solutions.

-Temporal Narcosis: put a "once per game" on it.

-Report with crew: I was away from the game for 20 years and only started again last year. Several [Ref] cards are already rules now (Fair play, General Quarters, The Big Picture....)
Just add "Limits each non-Borg report with crew action to four total personnel/equipment." from It's Only a Game.

I mean no disrespect, just a constructive suggestion.
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By LORE (Kris Sonsteby)
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#585781
Speaking only as a Worlds attendee, I am curious if this is going to be dealt with via ban / errata or if I need to potentially look at other decks to play (likely this one!) in a few weeks. Please keep us informed, as able. Thank you. :cheersL:
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#585785
Rancour@gmx.de wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 11:01 am
-Temporal Narcosis: put a "once per game" on it.
I don't think that's the right play here. Revolving Door is already an offensive card, so you shouldn't be able to turn your opponent's defense into something as strong as a double turn.

And given the other three cards are either banned or basically unused means there's no harm in locking Narcosis up for the duration.

(All props to the folk(s) who found this one, and I am a bit bummed you won't get to romp a major with it.)
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#585787
LORE wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 11:32 am Speaking only as a Worlds attendee, I am curious if this is going to be dealt with via ban / errata or if I need to potentially look at other decks to play (likely this one!) in a few weeks. Please keep us informed, as able. Thank you. :cheersL:
This!
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#586549
Kudos to the temporal narcosis ban

there are far to many counters to the Empok Nor Shenanigans and if you think this is a real possibility of being played bring the tech to shut the deck down.

Its only a game ** probably the best counter
TMW
Ferengi Infestation (and then get to empok nor with more cunning first)
Q-Net (block enemy ship, the empok nor deck played in ECC doesnt seed much diplomancy if any)
Scorched Hand

But all things aside, the word "unlimited" is bad card design, so we can blame decipher. I think what needs to be discussed is what is "reasonable" for Empok Nor download when commandeered? Maybe its not equipment, maybe its download any number of site and 1 or 2 personnel?

as for the "STP" Drop if this tech is being looked at then one may need to look at T'ong drop as well but maybe not?

The beauty of 1E is its a game about choices, theres so many different combos out there if you think it might get played put the tech in, if you dont and it does, then it would be rough :)
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By winterflames (Derek Marlar)
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#586572
T'ong maxes at 3 personnel (and no equipment) either on its own or through intercept sleeper ship. Even repeating that every turn, you will take 10-20 turns to play the same number of personnel as a single Empok Nor - Masaka - STP drop.
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By Armus (Brian Sykes)
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#586573
winterflames wrote: Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:25 am T'ong maxes at 3 personnel (and no equipment) either on its own or through intercept sleeper ship. Even repeating that every turn, you will take 10-20 turns to play the same number of personnel as a single Empok Nor - Masaka - STP drop.
Yeah. T'ong is fine. Strong, but hardly overpowered. If it ain't broke...
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By winterflames (Derek Marlar)
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#586576
Armus wrote: Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:28 am
winterflames wrote: Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:25 am T'ong maxes at 3 personnel (and no equipment) either on its own or through intercept sleeper ship. Even repeating that every turn, you will take 10-20 turns to play the same number of personnel as a single Empok Nor - Masaka - STP drop.
Yeah. T'ong is fine. Strong, but hardly overpowered. If it ain't broke...
Copy it with affiliation and era restrictions?
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By Armus (Brian Sykes)
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#586577
winterflames wrote: Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:43 am
Armus wrote: Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:28 am
winterflames wrote: Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:25 am T'ong maxes at 3 personnel (and no equipment) either on its own or through intercept sleeper ship. Even repeating that every turn, you will take 10-20 turns to play the same number of personnel as a single Empok Nor - Masaka - STP drop.
Yeah. T'ong is fine. Strong, but hardly overpowered. If it ain't broke...
Copy it with affiliation and era restrictions?
Sure. If anything that underscores my point that it's not OP.
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By winterflames (Derek Marlar)
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#586578
Armus wrote: Wed Oct 05, 2022 10:10 am
winterflames wrote: Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:43 am
Armus wrote: Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:28 am

Yeah. T'ong is fine. Strong, but hardly overpowered. If it ain't broke...
Copy it with affiliation and era restrictions?
Sure. If anything that underscores my point that it's not OP.
But... That was my point?

mutter mutter point thief mutter
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By Armus (Brian Sykes)
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#586580
winterflames wrote: Wed Oct 05, 2022 10:23 am
Armus wrote: Wed Oct 05, 2022 10:10 am
winterflames wrote: Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:43 am
Copy it with affiliation and era restrictions?
Sure. If anything that underscores my point that it's not OP.
But... That was my point?

mutter mutter point thief mutter
Yeah I think we're on the same page, my dude. You were yes, and-ing me and I took it as validation.
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#586581
I think it highlights the general design principles that unrestrected (STP, Brunt's Shuttle) have been issues over the years, but ones with a cap (T'Ong, voyager shuttles) haven't.

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