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By SAM2000
 - Delta Quadrant
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#190005
Subspace Transporter allows you to beam someone with Treachery x2 to anywhere at an adjacent location.

Can you then use this to beam onto cloaked ships at an adjacent location?

Can you use this while you are on a cloaked ship?
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By sexecutioner (Niall Matthew)
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#190006
I would like to say yes because it emphises anywhere, but the glossary says:
• When any opponent plays a card or
uses an ability, it may not target your
cloaked cards.
• A cloaked card may not be attacked or
boarded.
So which one overides the other?
 
By Worf Son of Mogh (Kenneth Tufts)
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#190008
sexecutioner wrote:I would like to say yes because it emphises anywhere, but the glossary says:
• When any opponent plays a card or
uses an ability, it may not target your
cloaked cards.
• A cloaked card may not be attacked or
boarded.
So which one overides the other?
some where there is line along the effect that cloaked cards aren't really there they don't count as opposing cards etc so I would tend to say that you cant beam to them as you don't know where they are to beam to. Any thing else though fair game.
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By SAM2000
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#190010
Worf Son of Mogh wrote:
sexecutioner wrote:I would like to say yes because it emphises anywhere, but the glossary says:
• When any opponent plays a card or
uses an ability, it may not target your
cloaked cards.
• A cloaked card may not be attacked or
boarded.
So which one overides the other?
some where there is line along the effect that cloaked cards aren't really there they don't count as opposing cards etc so I would tend to say that you cant beam to them as you don't know where they are to beam to. Any thing else though fair game.
But cloaked ships are still at that location for environmental effects...

Another example for this would be - can you use multidimensional transporters to beam for the [MQ] to a cloaked ship in the [AQ]?
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By pfti (Jon Carter)
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#190019
the glossary wrote:Cloaked cards are not considered to
be opposing, present, “here,” or
otherwise at the location for
requirements or abilities.
I would say that since both cards require a specific target, ie don't impact all ships there, the ship cannot be counted as at an adjacent location nor as at a corresponding location.

Additionally, both cards use the word beam, and the cards in question do not explicitly override this restriction.
the glossary wrote:Personnel may not walk or beam
on/off a cloaked ship or facility
 
By TF_Loki
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#190023
SAM2000 wrote:Subspace Transporter allows you to beam someone with Treachery x2 to anywhere at an adjacent location.
Actually they let you beam just treachery people. You're just using x2 so you can spank people with The Art of Diplomacy & I Do Not Take Orders From You...
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By sexecutioner (Niall Matthew)
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#190024
Looks like you'll have to find another way to invade my ships at Nationals Stu

:wink:
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By bosskamiura (Thomas Kamiura)
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#190026
Wow he really just called you out Stu. I think it's time to make a new deck.

TK
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By sexecutioner (Niall Matthew)
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#190027
Bosskamiura wrote:Wow he really just called you out Stu. I think it's time to make a new deck.

TK
I'm merely guessing, for all I know he'll have something equally as evil already planned for Nats. This might not even be a Nats related question.

Gotta keep on your toes around Stu...
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By sexecutioner (Niall Matthew)
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#190031
nuttersuclan wrote:He's so blatantly turning up with a Strategic Base/FF: Recovered solver.

You heard it here first gents!
I'd better adjust my Borg Barber Bluegill Federation moustache Yridian death fleet deck with the apropriate counters...

:P
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By SAM2000
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#190043
sexecutioner wrote:
nuttersuclan wrote:He's so blatantly turning up with a Strategic Base/FF: Recovered solver.

You heard it here first gents!
I'd better adjust my Borg Barber Bluegill Federation moustache Yridian death fleet deck with the apropriate counters...

:P
Well our head to head tournament record is 1 FW vs 1 FW! Of course you cried like a girl last time I played you :)
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By sexecutioner (Niall Matthew)
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#190125
SAM2000 wrote:Of course you cried like a girl last time I played you :)
Ooooh... Quick, someone pass me the aloe vera!

Ever wondered what it's like to walk like a cowboy after a game?

(All this tough guy talk is getting me A little too excited for nats)

:P
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By eberlems
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#585186
Necro.
https://www.trekcc.org/op/1e_rulebook/G ... ransporter says no transporting captives, but equipments are ok.
On the other hand captives can be moved by away team and crew like equipment
https://www.trekcc.org/op/1e_rulebook/G ... #capturing
I get the treksense but I didn't expect the extra specific ruling.
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