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By patrick (Patrick Weijers)
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JeBuS wrote: Wed Dec 22, 2021 9:59 am
patrick wrote: Wed Dec 22, 2021 8:44 am When you click RANDOM CARD, it is possible to get a (formerly backwards compatible) 2E card. (Might take a while, though.)
This was discussed in the Technical Difficulties forum. It's working as designed.
Well, sure... Because when it was designed it made sense to show 2e cards... I don't think it makes any sense to keep it that way, though...
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By winterflames (Derek Marlar)
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number one should be a capturing related card, shouldn't she?
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By ShipNerd
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winterflames wrote:number one should be a capturing related card, shouldn't she?
Listining to your point of view:
Definition capture related.
https://www.trekcc.org/op/1e_rulebook/G ... #capturing
a card that: "specifically affects captives or allows them to be used in any way; has an effect when a captive is taken or escorted; or"
Rescue captives does that, is capture related.
Does Number One do anything with capturing, like you imply? Or just the card she can download? Do you wish to have all cards be considered related to something if they can [DL] download a card that relates to something?

My Opinion:
Number One is not capture related.
Rescue captives is.
Making all cards that [DL] something be related like the card they download is not appropriate. Its enough to have the [DL] downloaded card have that label (capture related for rescue captives in this case). Example: Q the referee is not capture related even if it can download Intruder Alert that captures intruder.
Shoudn´t we leave it that way, for simplification reasons?
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By patrick (Patrick Weijers)
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ShipNerd wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 11:22 amDefinition capture related.
https://www.trekcc.org/op/1e_rulebook/G ... #capturing
Have you noticed that there is a "capturing-related" section after the link you posted? That one says:
In addition, any card whose gametext downloads, nullifies, or modifies a card which meets any of the above criteria (specified by title), is also a capturing-related card
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By Armus (Brian Sykes)
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patrick wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 11:32 am
ShipNerd wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 11:22 amDefinition capture related.
https://www.trekcc.org/op/1e_rulebook/G ... #capturing
Have you noticed that there is a "capturing-related" section after the link you posted? That one says:
In addition, any card whose gametext downloads, nullifies, or modifies a card which meets any of the above criteria (specified by title), is also a capturing-related card
This is the correct answer. Number One *IS* a captuting-related card.
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By ShipNerd
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patrick wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 11:32 am
Have you noticed that there is a "capturing-related" section after the link you posted? That one says:
In addition, any card whose gametext downloads, nullifies, or modifies a card which meets any of the above criteria (specified by title), is also a capturing-related card
No I havn´t read that. My logic applied to the one I stated. So yes Number One is capturing related (if [DL] is gametext). And Q the Referee is not since Intruder Alert, has no "captives" in titel.
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By patrick (Patrick Weijers)
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ShipNerd wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 11:41 amAnd Q the Referee is not since Intruder Alert, has no "captives" in titel.
Not entirely sure what you mean by this, but pre-errata, Q the Referee would be capturing related; it doesn't matter that Intruder Alert's title does not have the word "Captives" in it...

(Q the Referee doesn't name any capturing related cards post-errata, though. So it is not capturing-related.)
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By ShipNerd
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patrick wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 11:48 am
ShipNerd wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 11:41 amAnd Q the Referee is not since Intruder Alert, has no "captives" in titel.
Not entirely sure what you mean by this, but pre-errata, Q the Referee would be capturing related; it doesn't matter that Intruder Alert's title does not have the word "Captives" in it...

(Q the Referee doesn't name any capturing related cards post-errata, though. So it is not capturing-related.)
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By Takket
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jrch5618 wrote: Thu Dec 30, 2021 6:25 am Commander Troi needs the Human trait. By rule, the default species of Federation is Human, and this iteration of the card does not say anything about species.
my response to this is "Shouldn't the species of all [Bar] people by Hologram???" and looks like this was bounced around last year already......

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=40915&p=505822&hil ... es#p505822

so i subscribe to the "just leave it alone, these personnel aren't used that often and its not hurting anything" response given.

That being said, shouldn't she be tagged with Betazoid as well?
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By eberlems
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Takket wrote: Thu Dec 30, 2021 1:31 pm
jrch5618 wrote: Thu Dec 30, 2021 6:25 am Commander Troi needs the Human trait. By rule, the default species of Federation is Human, and this iteration of the card does not say anything about species.
my response to this is "Shouldn't the species of all [Bar] people by Hologram???" and looks like this was bounced around last year already......

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=40915&p=505822&hil ... es#p505822

so i subscribe to the "just leave it alone, these personnel aren't used that often and its not hurting anything" response given.

That being said, shouldn't she be tagged with Betazoid as well?
I recall some decipher rules for Commander Data and Commander Troi about Species and such, but can't find them right now.
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