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By BCSWowbagger (James Heaney)
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#457603
There is a condition on Lineup, but the "unless" isn't part of the condition. So it meets my needs.
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By BCSWowbagger (James Heaney)
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I forget this every danged time:

With Ambush Ship, does "any non-Federation crew" mean I need to have at least one non-Federation personnel, or does it mean I can't have any Federation personnel?
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BCSWowbagger wrote:I forget this every danged time:

With Ambush Ship, does "any non-Federation crew" mean I need to have at least one non-Federation personnel, or does it mean I can't have any Federation personnel?
If you have a Federation personnel, then you are a Federation crew. (Works the same as battle restrictions)
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By Armus (Brian Sykes)
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BCSWowbagger wrote:I forget this every danged time:

With Ambush Ship, does "any non-Federation crew" mean I need to have at least one non-Federation personnel, or does it mean I can't have any Federation personnel?
Non-X means you can't have any X.

Sanye and Dr. Farek on the D'Kyr are both a [Vul] and [NA] crew.
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By BCSWowbagger (James Heaney)
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#458045
Danke, gents.

I always have to pull out a napkin and start drawing arrows to remember how Kohlinar works.
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By BCSWowbagger (James Heaney)
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#458276
Latok wrote:This download chain only works at Sherman's Peak right? I.S.S. Enterprise for First Officer Spock and get Romulan Cloaking Device.
You could also download it to any location where you have a Romulan ship present with I.S.S. Enterprise.

But, in general, yes. Sherman's Peak's the way to go.
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Two general questions:

1) Outside of the game, I.E. "seed this, may play (Y)",

Seen decks that include this feature, yet just as many others that use the same card but download from Qs tent or the deck itself.
When is it correct to utilize this function?

edit: offhand, cards such as Sherman's Peak (~2 downloads) or Bajoran Wormhole.


Which leads me to;


2) May play (X) as an (interrupt or etc etc),

Such as Zayra - where does this dilemma played as an interrupt come from?



Unrelated to the previous pair, but seems common in the new meta;

3) Neutral Outpost (completely unaligned, not just Non Aligned) plus Spacedoor on a space mission.
Opponent cannot use (I think) my Doorway, but is quite able to report via my seeded facility.

This would seem to have quite a lot of potential to be a bad thing versus any benefits?
Last edited by Haakona_Ops on Thu Mar 28, 2019 2:49 am, edited 2 times in total.
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By BCSWowbagger (James Heaney)
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Haakona_Ops wrote:Two general questions:

1) Outside of the game, I.E. "seed this, may play (Y)",

Seen decks that include this feature, yet just as many others that use the same card but download from Qs tent or the deck itself.
When is it correct to utilize this function?
Can you give some examples? I'm not sure I understand the question.
2) May play (X) as an (interrupt or etc etc),

Such as Zayra - where does this dilemma played as an interrupt come from?
In Zayra's case specifically, it needs to come from your hand. Yes, it is legal to stock dilemmas in your draw deck. But it's not very useful, and Zayra doesn't make it worthwhile. Slightly stronger is Orderly Mavek's [DL] special download of Frame of Mind as an event; since it's a download, you can put it in your Dyson Sphere Door or Q's Tent instead of waiting to draw it.
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By Latok
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#458343
Haakona_Ops wrote:Two general questions:

1) Outside of the game, I.E. "seed this, may play (Y)",

Seen decks that include this feature, yet just as many others that use the same card but download from Qs tent or the deck itself.
When is it correct to utilize this function?


Which leads me to;


2) May play (X) as an (interrupt or etc etc),

Such as Zayra - where does this dilemma played as an interrupt come from?
1) If you're referring to cards that seed and download other cards, such as Assign Mission Specialists or Continuing Mission. Often people, when putting the decks in to the deckbuilder, do it incorrectly(sorry James) and put their mission specialists, etc. in the outside the game section and some do it correctly and put them in the draw deck.
Technically the only cards that should be in the outside the game section are when cards actually use those words, Montana Missile Complex, Holographic Camouflage, Bluegill Infestation, etc.
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As for putting dls during the seed phase "outside the game" in the deckbuilder, Latok is technically correct. But personally I find it much easier to look at a decklist and find it clearer, where the seed-dls are put outside the game.
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By SudenKapala (Suden Käpälä)
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#458348
BCSWowbagger wrote:
Haakona_Ops wrote:2) May play (X) as an (interrupt or etc etc),

Such as Zayra - where does this dilemma played as an interrupt come from?
In Zayra's case specifically, it needs to come from your hand. Yes, it is legal to stock dilemmas in your draw deck. But it's not very useful, and Zayra doesn't make it worthwhile. Slightly stronger is Orderly Mavek's [DL] special download of Frame of Mind as an event; since it's a download, you can put it in your Dyson Sphere Door or Q's Tent instead of waiting to draw it.
I've always thought of this in general terms, including orb fragment; "play X" in game text means "play from hand". For that purpose, you could also retrieve those DILs from discard pile... if you were so inclined.
But I realise now that Orb Fragment specifically says "play from hand".
Question (1): Is there a difference between Fragment's and Zayra's use or game text, after all?
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By SudenKapala (Suden Käpälä)
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Latok wrote:Often people, when putting the decks in to the deckbuilder, do it incorrectly(sorry James) and put their mission specialists, etc. in the outside the game section and some do it correctly and put them in the draw deck.
In James' linked deck, if Spacedock (I'm not sure, correct me if wrong) is [DL]'d with the seeded Starbase, then that is 'executing orders'. A [DL] must be done during the play phase. Thus, it can be drawn in first hand, and must be in draw deck for that unlikely yet "detrimental"(?) chance.
(For Assign Mission Specs stored in 'outside game' section, this is not a practical problem, since the personnel are DL'd before first hand is drawn.)

My questions:

2) Am I correct in my general statements above?
And
3) In this specific case, does the deck have another way to bring in the Dock, from outside the game -- thus making it 'legal' to store it 'outside game' (but impossible to [DL] it)?
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