[rsutton41]

If a ❖ Universal personnel uses their and it is blocked by Computer Crash other copies of that Universal personnel can't use that download later in the game correct?

[Takket]

correct.

you are allowed 1 per persona regardless of how many you play in the game. and computer crash stops the DL but you still pay the cost/use the resource

[KazonPADD]

I believe revealing a Computer Crash in response to any makes the Crash in play from the beginning of that whole action, so the download is invalid and the is not used. I think.

[Armus]

I believe revealing a Computer Crash in response to any makes the Crash in play from the beginning of that whole action, so the download is invalid and the is not used. I think.

This is correct. Crash = it never happened.

[BCSWowbagger]

This is correct. Crash = it never happened.

[Jono]

The only times the is used up is when your successfully download a card or when you try to download something from your deck, hand, Q’s Tent, Zalkonian Storage Capsule, Battle Bridge side deck or Dyson Sphere side deck and there are no copies available to download. In that case the action is used up (even if it’s invalid) and your opponent gets to look through your deck to verify the download can’t be completed.

Just don’t ask me what happens if you a card and then fail Temporal Causality Loop as the next thing.

[Takket]

okay I always thought a canceled download still "pays the cost" becuase of this:

"Attempting a download usually requires the expenditure of some resource such as playing a card, using a special icon, or forfeiting a card draw. That resource remains used even if the download is invalid"

but that only applies if you cannot complete the download because you don't have the target card in your deck?

dang that makes me a lot less afraid of computer crash if that is true LOL

but you DO lose the resource if a card is played on the table that you cannot play again, right? like playing AMS, or commandeering Empok Nor.

[BCSWowbagger]

okay I always thought a canceled download still "pays the cost" becuase of this:

"Attempting a download usually requires the expenditure of some resource such as playing a card, using a special icon, or forfeiting a card draw. That resource remains used even if the download is invalid"

This is accurate, but does not apply to computer crash because of the funny way hidden agendas retroactively affect the actions they're responding to. If somebody played, say, an interrupt that nullified a download (I don't think there is one, but there could be), then the download would be used up. But HA cards "look back" to just before the action and (in this case) prevent it from ever starting.

So there are, theoretically, other ways to invalidate or nullify a download, but, in practice, the only way to lose it completely is to not have a copy of the target card available.

This is confusing but I'm not sure of a good way to simplify it.

[MidnightLich]

okay I always thought a canceled download still "pays the cost" becuase of this:

"Attempting a download usually requires the expenditure of some resource such as playing a card, using a special icon, or forfeiting a card draw. That resource remains used even if the download is invalid"

This is accurate, but does not apply to computer crash because of the funny way hidden agendas retroactively affect the actions they're responding to. If somebody played, say, an interrupt that nullified a download (I don't think there is one, but there could be), then the download would be used up. But HA cards "look back" to just before the action and (in this case) prevent it from ever starting.

So there are, theoretically, other ways to invalidate or nullify a download, but, in practice, the only way to lose it completely is to not have a copy of the target card available.

This is confusing but I'm not sure of a good way to simplify it.

In a recent game, a player used Kes to special download The Gift. I played Quinn to nullify the event, which prevented my opponent from escaping my dilemma. The download, in that case, was used up. If I'd used Computer Crash, the download would never have been allowed in the first place, and my opponent could have tried again next turn.

-crp

[Armus]

okay I always thought a canceled download still "pays the cost" becuase of this:

"Attempting a download usually requires the expenditure of some resource such as playing a card, using a special icon, or forfeiting a card draw. That resource remains used even if the download is invalid"

This is accurate, but does not apply to computer crash because of the funny way hidden agendas retroactively affect the actions they're responding to. If somebody played, say, an interrupt that nullified a download (I don't think there is one, but there could be), then the download would be used up. But HA cards "look back" to just before the action and (in this case) prevent it from ever starting.

So there are, theoretically, other ways to invalidate or nullify a download, but, in practice, the only way to lose it completely is to not have a copy of the target card available.

This is confusing but I'm not sure of a good way to simplify it.

In a recent game, a player used Kes to special download The Gift. I played Quinn to nullify the event, which prevented my opponent from escaping my dilemma. The download, in that case, was used up. If I'd used Computer Crash, the download would never have been allowed in the first place, and my opponent could have tried again next turn.

-crp

Yeah that was me.

That's what I get for playing Quinn in my Masters deck and bringing sexy back.

Side note, Does Kes still leave play in that situation? In-game we decided she didn't but thinking about it later, I wasn't sure that was right (and it didn't really matter since Charlie was curb stomping me anyway).

Same with Handshake: If my opponent plays handshake (3rd function) and I cancel it with shrouded assailant, does my opponent still discard their hand or does it just slow them down for a turn?

I'm afraid I'm cross wiring 1e and 2e rules again and that's never good.

[commdecker]

Kes would not go away, and neither would the hand. Handshake was nullified, and the download of The Gift was prevented. So neither of those cards actually took effect, and none of their gametext gets read.

[BCSWowbagger]

This is confusing but I'm not sure of a good way to simplify it.

In a recent game, a player used Kes to special download The Gift. I played Quinn to nullify the event, which prevented my opponent from escaping my dilemma. The download, in that case, was used up. If I'd used Computer Crash, the download would never have been allowed in the first place, and my opponent could have tried again next turn.

-crp

Well put!