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By Slayer07
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#469276
Suden Kapala wrote:
bhosp wrote:A whole new world of Dominion War Efforts support personnel gets opened up, for one thing.
Ooh, yeah, hadn't though of that yet, even. That's also a big game changer! :o :? All Mission Specalists in the game now downloadable (with 2nd skill) for the glory of the Founders... I wonder if that was intentional? 8)
Or for the glory of the Union. War Efforts can be used by the Cardassians without ever having a single Dominion personnel in play.
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By JeBuS (Brian S)
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#469278
Slayer07 wrote:
Suden Kapala wrote:
bhosp wrote:A whole new world of Dominion War Efforts support personnel gets opened up, for one thing.
Ooh, yeah, hadn't though of that yet, even. That's also a big game changer! :o :? All Mission Specalists in the game now downloadable (with 2nd skill) for the glory of the Founders... I wonder if that was intentional? 8)
Or for the glory of the Union. War Efforts can be used by the Cardassians without ever having a single Dominion personnel in play.
There's only like 10 of them. And you still need to acquire the artifact.
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#469294
Since this was my topic before it got hijacked. I'm expressing my opinion on dominion war efforts. Dude acted like there was less cardassians than dominion support personnel in the game. Actually there is 18 cardassians and 15 dominion that can play off dominion War efforts.
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By patrick (Patrick Weijers)
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#469315
Suden Kapala wrote:
bhosp wrote:A whole new world of Dominion War Efforts support personnel gets opened up, for one thing.
Ooh, yeah, hadn't though of that yet, even. That's also a big game changer! :o :? All Mission Specalists in the game now downloadable (with 2nd skill) for the glory of the Founders... I wonder if that was intentional? 8)
Is it possible to create Support Personnel that way? The glossaray says "You cannot create a mission specialist by removing skills from a multi-skilled personnel (e.g., with Tsiolkovsky Infection)." So I assumed it wasn't possible to create Support Personnel either...
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#469317
patrick wrote:
Suden Kapala wrote:
bhosp wrote:A whole new world of Dominion War Efforts support personnel gets opened up, for one thing.
Ooh, yeah, hadn't though of that yet, even. That's also a big game changer! :o :? All Mission Specalists in the game now downloadable (with 2nd skill) for the glory of the Founders... I wonder if that was intentional? 8)
Is it possible to create Support Personnel that way? The glossaray says "You cannot create a mission specialist by removing skills from a multi-skilled personnel (e.g., with Tsiolkovsky Infection)." So I assumed it wasn't possible to create Support Personnel either...
The fact it says even not in play overrides that rule to me. Just like special reporting with dominion war efforts overrides normal reporting rules.
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By Latok
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1E Australian Continental Champion 2019
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#469418
edgeofhearing wrote:
bhosp wrote:[A whole new world of Dominion War Efforts support personnel gets opened up, for one thing.
Interestingly, the glossary goes out of its way to make it so you can't create mission specialists, but says nothing about creating support personnel.
Probably because gaining skills while in the deck hasn't been a thing and support personnel don't matter once in play.
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By SudenKapala (Suden Käpälä)
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#469434
Really interesting points, here. I wonder where this will end up. One way of solving the issue is to see (and rule) Support Personnel (as well as Mission Specialists) as those whose characteristic aspects have to be printed.
In fact, I can't think of a reason why MS should be different in that regard from SP, other than that MSs do matter in-game... but admittedly, their point-scoring's a big game element...
What I wonder about on the other hand, is: how much better do [Dom] get if they can keep refurbishing litterally all of the game's MSs into SP and download them with ASP/Dom War Efforts?
Last edited by SudenKapala on Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:45 am, edited 1 time in total.
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By Latok
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2E Australian Continental Runner-Up 2019
#469439
Suden Kapala wrote: What I wonder about on the other hand, is: how much better do [Dom] get if they can keep refurbishing litterally all of the game's MSs into SP and download them with ASP/Dom War Efforts?
Only the [NA] MS.
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By SudenKapala (Suden Käpälä)
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#469449
Latok wrote:
Suden Kapala wrote: What I wonder about on the other hand, is: how much better do [Dom] get if they can keep refurbishing litterally all of the game's MSs into SP and download them with ASP/Dom War Efforts?
Only the [NA] MS.
Yes. :shifty: Noted. :thumbsup:

Also...
I, who obviously needs [strike]language courses[/strike] [strike]glasses[/strike] to also read his posts better before sending, wrote:litter-ally?
8)
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By winterflames (Derek Marlar)
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#469459
Trash Man, Captain Recycle's Litter-Ally.
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#469496
I just want to point this out. Dominion War efforts and the book does not work together. There is no cardassian or dominion mission specialist. If you give ASP a skill there no longer ASP personal.
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By Orbin (James Monsebroten)
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#469498
Discovery suxs wrote:I just want to point this out. Dominion War efforts and the book does not work together. There is no cardassian or dominion mission specialist. If you give ASP a skill there no longer ASP personal.
The book gives [NA] personnel an additional affiliation and skill (even when not in play). It does not affect existing Dom/Car personnel, but it can make Amarie a [NA] / [Car] CIVILIAN with two skills [SD] Music [SD] whatever you chose. This is what people are talking about when they say The Book is good with Dominion War Efforts

- James M
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#469501
Orbin wrote:
Discovery suxs wrote:I just want to point this out. Dominion War efforts and the book does not work together. There is no cardassian or dominion mission specialist. If you give ASP a skill there no longer ASP personal.
The book gives [NA] personnel an additional affiliation and skill (even when not in play). It does not affect existing Dom/Car personnel, but it can make Amarie a [NA] / [Car] CIVILIAN with two skills [SD] Music [SD] whatever you chose. This is what people are talking about when they say The Book is good with Dominion War Efforts

- James M
Oh I got you. I honestly didn't even care about the first part of it. Artifacts are hard to get sometimes in the game. So building my deck around a artifact is too situational to me. I would play with the book for the skill though.

Oh look I can't beat your horta. Oh wait all my Fengri have mindmeld.
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By SudenKapala (Suden Käpälä)
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#469575
[Fer] & [SD] Mindmeld! Hmm. You didn't state what the ancient book was, exactly, which your Ferengi found. Now, if you allow me -- may I suggest that The Book in this case is "Doing business in ethical ways according to Zen Buddhism"? Because there are books like that, for real! :D 8) :P
Buddhism teaches a benevolent way of doing business -- and meditation. And meditation may lead to the Vulcan insights of higher brain powers... and mindmeld.

I like this game for the wrong reasons -- I should've stayed in RPGs. (But there -- same thing. Wrong reasons. I just wanted to write stories about my characters, and not have the game master wreck and abuse all the nice background info I had given them.)

Still. That was an inspiring choice for an example, Disco. :thumbsup:
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