[Spectre9]

We've had the discussion now time for the poll.

Leave it or set him free.

[Armus]

I voted unban, but I'll reiterate that maybe a middle ground of a "supervised release" could be more palatable. Unban him for a period of time, see what happens, revisit decision at the end of that period.

If I'm wrong and he's still super broken, then the rebanning is easy and justifiable. If I'm right and he's not broken in the modern game, then we set him free as is and we have one less card on the ban list.

But another benefit of this exercise would be to see WHY he's still super broken (if he is) and give errata some current insight on what changes would be needed to release him safely into the wild.

[Spectre9]

I voted unban.

The worst that can happen is everybody starts playing high point missions opponents can steal and you end up seeing who can race their Dix there first. The meta can adjust to that in time.

[BCSWowbagger]

I voted unban, but I'll reiterate that maybe a middle ground of a "supervised release" could be more palatable. Unban him for a period of time, see what happens, revisit decision at the end of that period.

If I'm wrong and he's still super broken, then the rebanning is easy and justifiable. If I'm right and he's not broken in the modern game, then we set him free as is and we have one less card on the ban list.

But another benefit of this exercise would be to see WHY he's still super broken (if he is) and give errata some current insight on what changes would be needed to release him safely into the wild.

I think there's lots of merit to this. I don't see any other cards on the ban list that fit the bill except maybe Time Travel Pod, but parole seems like a good approach for Dix.

[AllenGould]

I think there's lots of merit to this. I don't see any other cards on the ban list that fit the bill except maybe Time Travel Pod, but parole seems like a good approach for Dix.

I'd disagree - if we're going with "it's been a long time, maybe it's not a problem anymore and we should check"... I'd say most of those card could come off the list.

(Now, the percentage that would be back *on* inside of a year.. that's a different question. )

[BCSWowbagger]

I think there's lots of merit to this. I don't see any other cards on the ban list that fit the bill except maybe Time Travel Pod, but parole seems like a good approach for Dix.

I'd disagree - if we're going with "it's been a long time, maybe it's not a problem anymore and we should check"... I'd say most of those card could come off the list.

Only if there's good reason to think it's not a problem anymore. I think there is good reason with Dix. Not so much with, say, Distortion of Space/Time Continuum or Palor Toff.

[AllenGould]

Only if there's good reason to think it's not a problem anymore.

Yeah, but folks have been arguing about all the cards on the list since it started.

I mean, what's so terrible about Palor Toff? It's nothing ore processing or Nanoprobes can't do..

[Not_always_but_often]

One aspect of Dixon Hill that hasn't been discussed much yet is that he's the ultimate mission stealer. Sure, he's great for your own missions, but presumably you also intentionally packed a bunch of other personnel who can solve the mission.

Dix, though, gives you the ability to swoop in and steal any mission, regardless of requirements, so you don't need to plan ahead beyond bringing him to steal missions. In OTF, this ability is matchup dependent since you can't count on your opponent to bring high point missions. Using Dix to steal 50 point missions seems like the kind of thing that some people would classify as a NPE.

I think it could make for some interesting dynamics, but mission stealing is something people can be sensitive about, so that's an important factor to consider.

[Slayer07]

One aspect of Dixon Hill that hasn't been discussed much yet is that he's the ultimate mission stealer. Sure, he's great for your own missions, but presumably you also intentionally packed a bunch of other personnel who can solve the mission.

Dix, though, gives you the ability to swoop in and steal any mission, regardless of requirements, so you don't need to plan ahead beyond bringing him to steal missions. In OTF, this ability is matchup dependent since you can't count on your opponent to bring high point missions. Using Dix to steal 50 point missions seems like the kind of thing that some people would classify as a NPE.

I think it could make for some interesting dynamics, but mission stealing is something people can be sensitive about, so that's an important factor to consider.

True but if memory serves this will only work with missions or if your opponents missions have icons on that mission that match your affiliation. As far as I know it'd be impossible for my Cardassian opponent to steal Wormhole Negotiations with Dixon Hill unless they have like Kira or Agent Garak to switch to Federation mode and initiate the mission attempt. Which of course isn't impossible but with so many affiliations may not happen.

[Not_always_but_often]

True but if memory serves this will only work with missions or if your opponents missions have icons on that mission that match your affiliation. As far as I know it'd be impossible for my Cardassian opponent to steal Wormhole Negotiations with Dixon Hill unless they have like Kira or Agent Garak to switch to Federation mode and initiate the mission attempt. Which of course isn't impossible but with so many affiliations may not happen.

This is a fair point, it is a little more resource intensive than I originally made it sound, though not that much harder. Out of the 57 40+ point missions in the game, Dix plus a federation personnel can solve 37 of them, so this would be a boon to Federation decks, I suppose. Other affiliations could use espionage or dual Allison personnel to cover the vast majority of high point missions fairly easily too.

[DarkSabre]

I think there's lots of merit to this. I don't see any other cards on the ban list that fit the bill except maybe Time Travel Pod, but parole seems like a good approach for Dix.

I'd disagree - if we're going with "it's been a long time, maybe it's not a problem anymore and we should check"... I'd say most of those card could come off the list.

(Now, the percentage that would be back *on* inside of a year.. that's a different question. )

Agreed. Clone machine is another one.

Plenty of them should be off the list or given a limited reprieve.

I mean this is the perfect time of the year to do that. Take them off the list, see what happens between now and regional season.

Yes I know there are major events on the calendar but those would show what these cards might do to affect the meta and if they are overpowered or not

[AllenGould]

I mean this is the perfect time of the year to do that. Take them off the list, see what happens between now and regional season.

Yes I know there are major events on the calendar but those would show what these cards might do to affect the meta and if they are overpowered or not

Which is why I wonder if the off-season *is* the best time to do this sort of stress-testing. It seems the general curve of the year is "ho hum", followed by "hey, this might be good", and then when Regionals hit the hardcores go break everything. We don't want to know if I think pulling card X is good in a deck, we want Tufts to show us why it's terrible.

[DarkSabre]

I mean this is the perfect time of the year to do that. Take them off the list, see what happens between now and regional season.

Yes I know there are major events on the calendar but those would show what these cards might do to affect the meta and if they are overpowered or not

Which is why I wonder if the off-season *is* the best time to do this sort of stress-testing. It seems the general curve of the year is "ho hum", followed by "hey, this might be good", and then when Regionals hit the hardcores go break everything. We don't want to know if I think pulling card X is good in a deck, we want Tufts to show us why it's terrible.

We can do incentives for people who use these cards in tournaments monthly.

I think that doing it during championship season it’ll lead to more disgruntleness among players.


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[Discovery rox]

in light of the recently brought up point about mission stealing, i voted to keep the ban. this guy needs a little bit of work. thematically and power-wise, he should be errataed to only being able to solve YOUR mission.

but it's not hard to do the errata and try an unban. theres no reason it should be taking this long.

and if thats still too powerful, then try out my suggestion: "once per game, may meet any single requirement when solving your mission."

[Marquetry]

I mean this is the perfect time of the year to do that. Take them off the list, see what happens between now and regional season.

Yes I know there are major events on the calendar but those would show what these cards might do to affect the meta and if they are overpowered or not

Which is why I wonder if the off-season *is* the best time to do this sort of stress-testing. It seems the general curve of the year is "ho hum", followed by "hey, this might be good", and then when Regionals hit the hardcores go break everything. We don't want to know if I think pulling card X is good in a deck, we want Tufts to show us why it's terrible.

Oh darn it... #GuineaPigTime