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First Edition Creative Manager
By KazonPADD (Paddy Tye)
 - First Edition Creative Manager
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1E European Continental Runner-Up 2023
1E Omarion Nebula Regional Champion 2024
#548137
Anyone fancy trying it with Gold?
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By Ensign Q
 - Delta Quadrant
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#548139
Mr.Sloan wrote: Fri Mar 26, 2021 2:23 pm Actually skill sharing does help, because if all but one or two are stopped all those two have all skills for further dilemmas.

i wonder if its now possible to blow up some borg, but with multiplexor drone i guess borg-all stars are still a thing.

anyway need to get my lackey to work again, before i can even participate in anything *working on it*
good point. the one moving on is still receiving skills
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By sexecutioner (Niall Matthew)
 - Gamma Quadrant
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1E World Runner-Up 2023
1E European Continental Semi-Finalist 2023
1E British National Second Runner-Up 2023
#548141
Did someone say Gold!?

Y'all know I love Gold! I'll let you know how it goes...
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By Armus (Brian Sykes)
 - The Center of the Galaxy
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Community Contributor
#548162
KazonPADD wrote: Fri Mar 26, 2021 2:46 pm Anyone fancy trying it with Gold?
Shhhh!!!!

Quit giving my tech away, Paddy!!

Geez!! :P
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By Takket
 - Delta Quadrant
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#548192
MidnightLich wrote: Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:45 pm
GooeyChewie wrote: Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:41 pm
Ensign Q wrote: Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:30 pm chandra does nothing against borg and its also much easier to have matching stats than skills.
Doesn’t Borg Vinculum completely negate this dilemma? All your personnel will have a matching skill.
Romulan Mind Probes looks for printed skills, so skill sharing doesn't help. I'm 100% okay with there being some dilemmas that hammer the Borg, given how many whiff.

-crp
maybe i'm reading this wrong... but the "printed" only applies to the other AT/crew members, and not the target. So if the target is sharing all skills then any other Borg with that printed skill (which is everyone) would not be stopped.
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 - Gamma Quadrant
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Continuing Committee Member - Retired
#548206
Takket wrote: Fri Mar 26, 2021 8:42 pm
maybe i'm reading this wrong... but the "printed" only applies to the other AT/crew members, and not the target. So if the target is sharing all skills then any other Borg with that printed skill (which is everyone) would not be stopped.
This is my reading as well now that you mention it.
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By winterflames (Derek Marlar)
 - Delta Quadrant
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#548209
Romulan Mind Probes

Pretty sure the "at least one Printed skill matching" applies both directions... Grammar follows Commutative mathematics, right?
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First Edition Rules Master
By BCSWowbagger (James Heaney)
 - First Edition Rules Master
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#548216
Yeah, I'm having trouble seeing how you guys are reading it. What's the dilemma trying to match, if not printed skills?

The smart-aleck objection I was expecting for this card was, "My away team has Darian Wallace and Kathleen Tonnell in it. Darian Wallace's printed skill of Anthropology doesn't match Kathleen Tonnell, because [SD] Anthropology is a skill and Kathleen Tonnell is a personnel! Ha!"

(Second smart-aleck objection: "Anthropology is a skill. 'Matching' means affiliation. Kathleen is [NA]. [SD] Anthropology does not equal [NA] ! Ha!")

To which my planned reply was, "Don't be silly; when a card tells you it needs to match another card, it is asking whether it matches some particular feature of the card, which is affiliation by default but may be some other feature based on game text. Read the card non-absurdly and you will see that the only reasonable interpretation is that 'matching' refers to the thing from the previous clause: printed skills."

It seems that you guys are 90% of the way there (and not being smart-alecks), and you recognize that "matching" here refers to some kind of skills, not to affiliation or to card title or whatever... but what's making you think that you can match "skills" while dropping "printed"?
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By Ensign Q
 - Delta Quadrant
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#548232
hehe, i guess the game teaches us to not think straight in other places too often lol
you forgot the most obv smart alec by confusing skills and classification.
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 - Gamma Quadrant
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Continuing Committee Member - Retired
#548250
winterflames wrote: Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:15 pm Romulan Mind Probes

Pretty sure the "at least one Printed skill matching" applies both directions... Grammar follows Commutative mathematics, right?
"One personnel (random selection) continues, along with all crew or Away Team members who have at least one printed skill matching that personnel. Others are stopped."

The first bolded part is not referring to the personnel selected. The comma and then the "along with" makes that clear in my mind. So the following "at least on printed skill" is continuing the thought referencing those same "along with" ppl.

Then the second bolded part refers back to selected person again.

I feel very strongly that Dave's reading is correct.
Last edited by Hoss-Drone on Sat Mar 27, 2021 10:11 am, edited 1 time in total.
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By winterflames (Derek Marlar)
 - Delta Quadrant
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#548251
What I am saying is that the matching you are doing is with printed skills, both the "all crew" and the "that personnel" of the "printed skill matching." It is Printed skills that you are matching. Floaty additional skills are not considered by this dilemma at all. Neither padd nor advice nor shared skills count on any side of the equation.
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By GooeyChewie (Nathan Miracle)
 - Gamma Quadrant
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#548252
I think winterflames and BCSWowbagger are correct. The dilemma doesn't specifically say what has to match. I figure that means you should match the exact same thing, printed skills.

The dilemma still seems wildly swingy to me. If you randomly select a mission specialist, it's great. If you get a skill horse, there's a good chance most (if not all) of the personnel will match at least one printed skill.
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Director of Organized Play
By LORE (Kris Sonsteby)
 - Director of Organized Play
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W.C.T. Chairman's Trophy winner 2014-2015
#548253
This card sucks. Morphogenic Virus is 100 times better and goes in my decks immediately. I won't even print Romulan Mind Probes.
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By Takket
 - Delta Quadrant
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#548259
GooeyChewie wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 10:09 am I think winterflames and BCSWowbagger are correct. The dilemma doesn't specifically say what has to match. I figure that means you should match the exact same thing, printed skills.

The dilemma still seems wildly swingy to me. If you randomly select a mission specialist, it's great. If you get a skill horse, there's a good chance most (if not all) of the personnel will match at least one printed skill.
Yeah I'm seeing that now... the only thing the card ever mentions comparing is "printed skills" so that has to be what you compare. Still it seems weird. Like the last word on the card should be possessive or something, but 1E basically has its own grammar.

For what its worth I'm glad it works this way because it would be a royal pain in the butt to compare if i was looking at the personnel, plus skills they get shared from an equipment, plus a temporal benefactor. could take 5 minutes to resolve this!!! Much better to do printed.

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