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By Ausgang (Gerald Sieber)
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1E European Continental Quarter-Finalist 2023
#548720
JeBuS wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 9:48 am That's all just over complicating things. Make the players play by the same rules. That means the same number of turns for both.
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By Spectre9
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#548966
Usually if it takes me 6 turns I accept defeat readily but if I lose before I can take my 5th turn I'm salty about it.

There's enough stop dilemmas in the game for the probability of being able to win in 4 turns being quite low. Yet 5 turns seems to be the sweet spot for an uninterrupted speed solver.

I wouldn't know the exact statistic. Maybe you could get close by quickly goldfishing speed solving through random dilemma combos. I would say speed solvers go from about 50% chance of winning on turn 4 to about 90% chance of winning on turn 5.
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By Ensign Q
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#549003
its hard to predict how a real match actually plays out, because of the dilemma strats, but a speedsolver can goldfish on turn 2 in theory,
(ams+ reports for t1 solve space, acquire genesis, t2 solve planet for fw.

in actual game you might get delayed 2 turns, but thats still a t4 win.
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By Mr.Sloan
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#549012
even if the number of turns is equal, a invasive beam in dominion might want to first turn for the first strike on AMS dudes.

more turns in games in general would reduce the problem. lower plays and/or draws
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By Ensign Q
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#549056
if it takes 100 turns to win the game, then the one who goes first is still a turn faster.
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By winterflames (Derek Marlar)
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#549130
Ensign Q wrote: Thu Apr 01, 2021 2:12 pm if it takes 100 turns to win the game, then the one who goes first is still a turn faster.
So you want both players to play their turns at the same time? Because that is the only way to solve the first person goes first problem.
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By Ensign Q
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#549153
Ausgang wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:00 am
JeBuS wrote: Tue Mar 30, 2021 9:48 am That's all just over complicating things. Make the players play by the same rules. That means the same number of turns for both.
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By sexecutioner (Niall Matthew)
 - Gamma Quadrant
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1E World Runner-Up 2023
1E European Continental Semi-Finalist 2023
1E British National Second Runner-Up 2023
#549174
Here's some hot data for you.

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