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There's also almost always strategic choice involved in choosing which ref cards to include ( unless you're devoting resources to include every single 1, which is another cost). For instance, unless I'm using QT:CW I typically don't include White Deprivation in my decks because it doesn't come up enough to warrant it. The choice not to include some ref cards (which, side note, you can't even fit all of them in the dedicated ref side of QT:CW alone) is therefore absolutely strategic because you have to decide which abusive strategies are most common/most crippling to your deck and weigh out the cost/benefit of including the respective counters in your deck with the odds you will encounter those strategies.
phaserihardlyknowher wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 9:26 amI don't agree that there's no cost to stocking ref cards as counters. At a minimum they take up deck/tent space, and to be most effective you need to invest at least 1 seed space for Tribunal or Q the Referee. I can't speak for anyone else, but seed slots are incredibly valuable to me.Caretaker's Guest wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 2:02 am Just leave the Ref be, mark my words. Fix the things you might find most abusive on a level not to make them unplayable (this is important!) and leave the Ref mechanic as strategic choice. As Julius claimed: View it as a strategic element and a chance, not a burden.I don't really understand how is strategic. There's no cost, no timing element and no counter. You basically say "no you can't do that" and that's the end of the strategy. It's a magic bullet that you can fire whenever you want and never misses. I always feel like I'm missing something obvious, but if it's an auto stock and you can't stop it, how is it different than a de facto rule?
Compare that to another meta policing card like Lack of Preperation where both sides have some choice to make and making a choice counter to the meta is a meaningful risk. That seems more strategic than .
There's also almost always strategic choice involved in choosing which ref cards to include ( unless you're devoting resources to include every single 1, which is another cost). For instance, unless I'm using QT:CW I typically don't include White Deprivation in my decks because it doesn't come up enough to warrant it. The choice not to include some ref cards (which, side note, you can't even fit all of them in the dedicated ref side of QT:CW alone) is therefore absolutely strategic because you have to decide which abusive strategies are most common/most crippling to your deck and weigh out the cost/benefit of including the respective counters in your deck with the odds you will encounter those strategies.