[admiral-mogh]

Can I use Assimilate Counterpart on Kazon, to attack and abduct but not assimilate?

[BCSWowbagger]

By my reading of assimilation - personnel, the answer to your question is "No."

The Kazon Collective makes Kazon immune to assimilation, and, if I'm reading this entry right, Borg may not target cards for assimilation that are immune to assimilation (even for sneaky secondary effects). I was already leaning that way, but the sentence "Borg do not assimilate (or target for assimilation) ANIMALs or holographic recreations" seems decisive. That sentence strongly implies that "immune to assimilation" equals "immune to being targeted for assimilation".

[sexecutioner]

Yeah, I'm with Heaney on this one.

However, play Memory Wipe on a Kazon ship, and they are no longer Kazon affiliation (Which The Kazon Collective specifically states) and you can beam over and start assimilating, as long as the Kazon Personnel are either on the ship, or on the planet as the ships away team.

Can Memory Wipe please be unbanned? I miss doing this weird shit.

[admiral-mogh]

Hopefully the Kazon opponent has at least one non-kazon male in their crew

[SudenKapala]

Interesting topic. I added it to my personal list of Borg topics.
(While I made that mostly for myself, I hope other (novice, like me?) players can use it too, to find interesting/educational threads in this forum. )

[Data's Socks]

Hopefully the Kazon opponent has at least one non-kazon male in their crew

Now I'm curious if using The Naked Truth to punt over a counterpart would work.

[AllenGould]

Yeah, I'm with Heaney on this one.

However, play Memory Wipe on a Kazon ship, and they are no longer Kazon affiliation (Which The Kazon Collective specifically states) and you can beam over and start assimilating, as long as the Kazon Personnel are either on the ship, or on the planet as the ships away team.

Can Memory Wipe please be unbanned? I miss doing this weird shit.

Although that raises an interesting question of what happens after you abduct them - now they're not on the Wipe'd ship, after all.

[JeBuS]

Yeah, I'm with Heaney on this one.

However, play Memory Wipe on a Kazon ship, and they are no longer Kazon affiliation (Which The Kazon Collective specifically states) and you can beam over and start assimilating, as long as the Kazon Personnel are either on the ship, or on the planet as the ships away team.

Can Memory Wipe please be unbanned? I miss doing this weird shit.

Although that raises an interesting question of what happens after you abduct them - now they're not on the Wipe'd ship, after all.

If they've been abducted, they're no longer "your" personnel. "Your" requires control, which you no longer have. So Kazon Collective does not affect them.

[Professor Scott]

^^^ "Your Kazon affiliation is immune to assimilation"

[AllenGould]

If they've been abducted, they're no longer "your" personnel. "Your" requires control, which you no longer have. So Kazon Collective does not affect them.

I'm not sure that's right. Abduction (and it's kissing-cousin capture) both disable the personnel (which is why you can't do anything with them). But if capturing made them "not yours" then you couldn't play Rescue Captives on them. And the rest of the entry for abduction pretty closely mirrors capture (you escort them, if unescorted can be rescued), so I think there's an argument that they're still "yours" until the assimilation kicks in.

(Also, the fact that abduct just means "Borg capture but not really capture" is SO ANNOYING.)

[JeBuS]

If they've been abducted, they're no longer "your" personnel. "Your" requires control, which you no longer have. So Kazon Collective does not affect them.

I'm not sure that's right. Abduction (and it's kissing-cousin capture) both disable the personnel (which is why you can't do anything with them). But if capturing made them "not yours" then you couldn't play Rescue Captives on them. And the rest of the entry for abduction pretty closely mirrors capture (you escort them, if unescorted can be rescued), so I think there's an argument that they're still "yours" until the assimilation kicks in.

(Also, the fact that abduct just means "Borg capture but not really capture" is SO ANNOYING.)

I think this is an instance where the glossary entry for "Your" outpaced the language on the PAQ card. I would argue that Rescue Captives doesn't work, according to the glossary. Which is why capturing - Rescue specifies its ability to do so.

[AllenGould]

I think this is an instance where the glossary entry for "Your" outpaced the language on the PAQ card. I would argue that Rescue Captives doesn't work, according to the glossary. Which is why capturing - Rescue specifies its ability to do so.

I'm not sold on that. Because if it's not "your" personnel, then it implies it's the opponent's (who could then be doing things with "their" personnel), and that strikes me as less intuitive. (Also, while I only took a quick glance at the Glossary entries - at work and all - I didn't see anything about the opponent gaining control of the personnel.)

[sexecutioner]

If it helps....

I've played against a lot of Kazon decks.

Every one has used Penk and Mr. Sisko