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Hi all. First Post.

May I ask, please? With regards to the aforementioned card, I'm noticing a lot of decks are bringing the 2 personnel in from 'outside the game', rather than a draw deck of any description. "You may download to one outpost up to two different mission specialists...", my understanding was that the 'download' component of that sentence caused you to find those cards you're looking for from your draw deck, rather than from "outside the game".

If the term "from outside the game" was on the card, there'd be no need for the query, yet this term is absent from the written text on the card.

Am I reading it wrong? Have I misunderstood a concept? Any help would be gratefully appreciated.

Thank you in advance. :)
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By BCSWowbagger (James Heaney)
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Hello and welcome to the boards! This is a common point of confusion, and for perfectly good reasons.

Assign Mission Specialists typically hits the table during the seed phase. The mission specialists must be downloaded immediately. Nothing in the game can prevent this.

You are absolutely correct that the targets of the download must be in the draw deck or Q's Tent. (In practice, they're always in the deck, because why waste two Tent slots on cards that are getting downloaded in the seed phase?)

For sheer convenience, to save time at the start of the game, some players started setting aside their two mission specialists at the start of the game so that they could do the download without having to search through the whole draw deck. This eventually started showing up in people's decklists in the "outside the game" area, and it became a custom. (It's often much easier to understand how a deck works if all its seed-phase downloads are separated from the rest of the deck.)

Legally, these cards are all still in the draw deck and are downloaded from the draw deck. But they are listed in a separate area of the deck list, by some players (not all players), for sheer convenience.

By custom, you only do this if you know which specialists you are downloading on Turn 1. If you change which specialists you download between different games with the same deck, you just list them all in your draw deck and make a note in the How To Play section of your deck.

Of course, all this "customary" rules-fudging makes the Rules folks very grumbly, but it's kinda like putting your sites on the table in two rows (instead of the officially-mandated one row) or placing your Holoprogram: The Office of Dixon Hill in your core instead of the outpost it's technically played on. People do it because they find it easier, and it doesn't change any gameplay, so what is there to be done?
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BCSWowbagger wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 1:41 am Hello and welcome to the boards! This is a common point of confusion, and for perfectly good reasons.

Legally, these cards are all still in the draw deck and are downloaded from the draw deck. But they are listed in a separate area of the deck list, by some players (not all players), for sheer convenience.
Yeah, its confusing. Welcome, from me as well :)

In lackey online stccg program, i use "aside" for stuff I download in the seed phase to make the seed folder equal to 30.

Since AMS downloads are not pre-choosen mandatory, I also sometimes put the 2 aside mission specialists back in the deck and take 2 others from the deck, if needed.

And "outside from the game" is really supposed for some cards that can come from outside the game like the phoenx for borg player. The borg may not include non-borg cards so the [NA] phoenix is actually supposed to be really "from outside the game"
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By edgeofhearing (Lucas Thompson)
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BCSWowbagger wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 1:41 amLegally, these cards are all still in the draw deck and are downloaded from the draw deck. But they are listed in a separate area of the deck list, by some players (not all players), for sheer convenience.
Some of us need to include those cards in the draw deck so the deckbuilder recognizes our decks as reaching the legal minimum size.
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By Ensign Q
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this shortcut seems kind of a trap to new players. ive seen various unseedable cards in the out of play section.
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Ensign Q wrote: Tue Mar 16, 2021 4:31 pm this shortcut seems kind of a trap to new players. ive seen various unseedable cards in the out of play section.
It definitely is, but nobody (as far as I know) has figured out a way to fix it -- other than retitling the "outside the game" section as "outside the game / seed phase downloads," which I believe is how it currently displays, no?
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By Ensign Q
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BCSWowbagger wrote: Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:26 pm
Ensign Q wrote: Tue Mar 16, 2021 4:31 pm this shortcut seems kind of a trap to new players. ive seen various unseedable cards in the out of play section.
It definitely is, but nobody (as far as I know) has figured out a way to fix it -- other than retitling the "outside the game" section as "outside the game / seed phase downloads," which I believe is how it currently displays, no?
idk, i usually stuff them into dyson sphere, because lackey messes with empty sideslots

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