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I fear that by going down this road this will box in design and cause an untold amount of grief for cards that don't exactly fit this 'play' definition that people are trying to put onto the game.
There is a difference between a card 'being played from hand or the deck' which is really an action I am doing vs 'being put into play' which is the result of my action and puts that card into the 'field of play'. There is a gap between 'being played from hand or deck' vs 'being put into play' that allows for proper responses to happen (like I play Temporal Rift and you play Amanda Rogers or I say I am downloading using a and you flip Computer Crash).
However many of those proper responses have been neutered or banned for ages via OTF so it's not much of an issue anyway about understanding
Maybe something should be added to the action area of the CR to explain how playing a card from hand or downloading from a deck is considered the start of an action that has allowable responses by either yourself or another player.
Dukat wrote: That is not enough.I disagree. The language is pretty self-explanatory.
If we are unable to have a definition that uses itself to define it, we have a problem.
The Glossary needs a definition for 'play' so that future design and rules efforts can work more efficiently.
I fear that by going down this road this will box in design and cause an untold amount of grief for cards that don't exactly fit this 'play' definition that people are trying to put onto the game.
There is a difference between a card 'being played from hand or the deck' which is really an action I am doing vs 'being put into play' which is the result of my action and puts that card into the 'field of play'. There is a gap between 'being played from hand or deck' vs 'being put into play' that allows for proper responses to happen (like I play Temporal Rift and you play Amanda Rogers or I say I am downloading using a and you flip Computer Crash).
However many of those proper responses have been neutered or banned for ages via OTF so it's not much of an issue anyway about understanding
Maybe something should be added to the action area of the CR to explain how playing a card from hand or downloading from a deck is considered the start of an action that has allowable responses by either yourself or another player.
So, if I have Anya already in play, I can start to play Salia from my hand, and (during the responses phase) use Anya to download *another* Salia. The first Salia is not yet in play, and so Anya's download is validly initiated. Furthermore, this has no effect on my original Salia play -- even though the condition "if you have in a play a version of a given persona, you may not bring another into play" is no longer met, we're past initiation and it's too late: both Salias resolve.Also no, this wouldn't even be remotely understood to be able to happen. Since you are using the to suspend play, you are thereby pausing everything happening in-game (unless it was somehow a proper response to the like computer crash), and since that Salia comes into play first so the one from your hand is an invalid play unless you have something that allows for duplicates. I don't even remember what happens if you do an improper play offhand since its been ages Ive run into it.
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