Rachmaninoff wrote: ↑Thu Sep 02, 2021 1:13 pm
JeBuS wrote:
"To play a card is to..." - fill in the blank.
"A card is in play if it has been played and..." - fill in the blank.
The rulebook (under "Playing a card") describes what it means to play a card and how to do it. (e.g., "To play a card, announce the title of the card and place it face-up on the table (or wherever the card directs). It has now been played.") More broadly, the section describes different ways cards are played, including reporting for duty and downloads. The definition does not rely on "in play" in any way.
The second one is actually not right. The glossary entry on "in play" explicitly lists what the criteria are. One of them is that a card has been played (and not nullified or discarded as part of its results), but this is not the only one. Face-up seed cards are in play despite never having been played.
Excellent, we're right on track. So we have established that cards can be "in play" without being "played".
Now, can we establish that cards that have been "played" are not "in play"? (For the sake of argument, let us assume that the cards have not "left play", which we'll try to avoid for now.) When an interrupt, such as
A Change of Plans, plays to do something, is it "in play" while doing that thing?
pfti wrote:as a communication professor, yes talking is the START to action, but it is rarely sufficient.
So then you recognize why establishing a framework for discussion is important.
Also Rachmaninoff and I are not disagreeing. The rules do specify what "in play" means. I was clarifying what it means to "play" something. These are not the same game term (although they are related).
Your argument was that
Such a card is in-play until a rule or card removes it from the table or another card.
Rachmaninoff argued that
An "instantaneous" interrupt is discarded as part of its results, so it is never "in play."
So, it would seem to me (and please correct me if I am reading it wrong) that your argument is that there is a moment (albeit brief) where every one of those Interrupts is "in play" "on the table". Because it is "in play" until the rule about Interrupts self-discarding takes effect, right?