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By KazonPADD (Paddy Tye)
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1E European Continental Runner-Up 2023
1E The Neutral Zone Regional Champion 2023
#577649
First to seed it, gets it.

We have been working on a solution though.
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By Dukat (Andreas Rheinländer)
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1E European Continental Quarter-Finalist 2023
1E German National Runner-Up 2024
#578260
KazonPADD wrote: Tue May 24, 2022 7:54 am First to seed it, gets it.

We have been working on a solution though.
Okay, but what does it MEAN for the person who is second?

The person who is second can basically not report personnel and use transporters - right?
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By KazonPADD (Paddy Tye)
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#578261
Are you talking DS9 vs DS9 or DS9 vs Terok Nor? So long as you’re compatible you can report. But by not controlling the station you can’t lower SHIELDS to transport, so have to dock and walk off instead.
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By KazonPADD (Paddy Tye)
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#578272
Then yes, you can definitely still report.
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By BCSWowbagger (James Heaney)
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#578322
The only things that are really determined by control of the station are:
Either player can still use site text, regardless of station control, according to the text of each site.
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By Professor Scott (Mathew McCalpin)
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Holosuite would like a moment of your time.
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By Orbin (James Monsebroten)
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#578331
I'm having trouble finding the old rules for Nor (mind you I didn't try too hard), but I don't recall who controls the station when two people tried seed it changed. The fact that you can now lower shields if you control it is a difference though.

-James M
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By BCSWowbagger (James Heaney)
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#578343
Professor Scott wrote: Sat Jun 04, 2022 6:19 pm Holosuite would like a moment of your time.
Yeah, like I said: according to the text of the card.

Don't even get me started on Ward Room.
I'm having trouble finding the old rules for Nor (mind you I didn't try too hard), but I don't recall who controls the station when two people tried seed it changed.
I don't think this has ever changed. Whoever seeds the station has control at the start of the game, and keeps it until/unless commandeered. This has always been true.

What changed is the rules for using facilities. The rule used to be fairly tricksy:

* On an Outpost, the controller can raise and lower SHIELDS for beaming.

* On a Station, either player can raise and lower the SHIELDS for beaming.

* ...unless the Station is a Nor, in which case neither player can raise or lower the SHIELDS for beaming.

* ...except for Large Tribbles.

Now the rule is just this:

* On an Outpost or Station, the controller can raise and lower SHIELDS for beaming.

(Headquarters are still kinda messy, but that's their own thing.)

The RRD that did everything is here: https://starshipexcelsior.com/othersite ... 03-DOW.pdf
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By Enabran
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#578353
KazonPADD wrote: Tue May 24, 2022 7:54 am First to seed it, gets it.

We have been working on a solution though.
Can the second seed something else INSTEAD? Because he has wasted a seedslot.
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By winterflames (Derek Marlar)
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#578356
The answer is no, and that is why Center of Authority and I Miss This Office have specific call outs for what happens when the opponent gets there first. But with a DS9 deck, your opponent having beat you to the punch only slows you, it usually doesn't actually break the deck like it would for the others.
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