#579498
My default has been if it tells you where to play it then it overrides the affiliation icon requirement. Most of the ones that do this use the word "any", but I didn't connect the "any" to doing this. I had missed Starbase One as an example that doesn't use any, though its requirement to be a completed mission where you have a ENGINEER makes it less likely to go at a non mission. Lastly, I personally don't see a big difference between "a X mission" and "any X mission"... it might be just me, but when we have other outposts that call out affiliation restrictions in their game text I read "a Neutral Zone region mission"s lack of affiliation icon call out as meaning "any Neutral Zone region mission, regardless of affiliation"
Outposts that don't follow the standard seed one or build where you have X ENGINEER:
Borg Outpost - uses "any"
Transwarp Hub - uses "any"
Unicomplex - uses "any"
Internment Camp 371 - does not use "any". Calls out a specific mission
Primary Supply Depot - uses "any"
Earth Outpost - does not use "any". Calls out a specific region
Earth Spacedock - does not use "any". Calls out a specific region but also adds the required affiliation icon in game text.
Starbase 247 - uses any. also calls out required affiliation icon in game text.
Hirogen Outpost - uses "any" for non matching affiliation. Calls out matching affiliation icon in game text
Kazon Outpost - does not use "any". Calls out specific required affiliation icons.
Husnock Outpost - uses "any". Calls out specific required affiliation icon.
Nekrit Supply Depot - uses "any"
Neutral Outpost - uses "any"
Starbase One - does not use "any" and does not call out affiliation icon
Vidiian Outpost - does not use "any". Calls out specific required affiliation icons.
-James M
BCSWowbagger wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 8:02 pmI read the text on Earth Outpost as saying where you can play it and not overriding the rules around multiple facilities. Also, the cards that download an outpost to a location I would assume couldn't override the rule about building multiple facilities at a location.Seeds (limit one) or plays at a Neutral Zone Region mission.I tend to read this text as a restriction, not a permission. Normally, you could seed Earth Outpost at any mission in the Alpha Quadrant. "Not so fast!" says this gametext: you can actually only seed it at a mission in the Alpha Quadrant in the Neutral Zone Region. Nothing about this text indicates to me that it is attempting to override the general rules. It just seems to add to them.
However, when player intuition cuts strongly against a rule or ruling, sometimes that means that the rule or ruling should be reconsidered, rather than telling all the players to correct their intuitions. So, I will try to sound out what the boundaries of this intuition are:
For those of you who think that this text is sufficient to override the rule: do you think Earth Outpost overrides all the rules about where you can build an outpost, or just the affiliation icon restriction?
By that, I mean: do you think that you could play Earth Outpost (from hand) (under your own control) at a Neutral Zone mission where you already own another facility?
By the same token, could you play Starbase One on Deliver Ancient Artifact (the Vulcan homeworld)?
For that matter, could you play Starbase One on Research Devastating Attack, the Starfleet homeworld?
(Could you still do this even if Office of the President is already there?)
Thanks for your intuitive guidance.
Homeworld rule form the rulebook wrote:However, Outposts may never be seeded at the homeworld of any affiliation
Building multiple facilities rule form the rulebook wrote:You may not seed (or build) a facility at a location where you already have one (unless permitted by a card that allows them to "co-exist").I would expect the card to call out if you can alter the above rules like stating "even at a homeworld" or "even if you already have a facility here"
My default has been if it tells you where to play it then it overrides the affiliation icon requirement. Most of the ones that do this use the word "any", but I didn't connect the "any" to doing this. I had missed Starbase One as an example that doesn't use any, though its requirement to be a completed mission where you have a ENGINEER makes it less likely to go at a non mission. Lastly, I personally don't see a big difference between "a X mission" and "any X mission"... it might be just me, but when we have other outposts that call out affiliation restrictions in their game text I read "a Neutral Zone region mission"s lack of affiliation icon call out as meaning "any Neutral Zone region mission, regardless of affiliation"
Outposts that don't follow the standard seed one or build where you have X ENGINEER:
Borg Outpost - uses "any"
Transwarp Hub - uses "any"
Unicomplex - uses "any"
Internment Camp 371 - does not use "any". Calls out a specific mission
Primary Supply Depot - uses "any"
Earth Outpost - does not use "any". Calls out a specific region
Earth Spacedock - does not use "any". Calls out a specific region but also adds the required affiliation icon in game text.
Starbase 247 - uses any. also calls out required affiliation icon in game text.
Hirogen Outpost - uses "any" for non matching affiliation. Calls out matching affiliation icon in game text
Kazon Outpost - does not use "any". Calls out specific required affiliation icons.
Husnock Outpost - uses "any". Calls out specific required affiliation icon.
Nekrit Supply Depot - uses "any"
Neutral Outpost - uses "any"
Starbase One - does not use "any" and does not call out affiliation icon
Vidiian Outpost - does not use "any". Calls out specific required affiliation icons.
-James M