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By TyKajada (Alexander Schmitz)
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I am sure this has been asked before but the forum won't let me search for Let Me Help, it ignores 'let me', so ask again :p

Let Me Help mentions "printed numbers"
Is 'two' a printed number? Or only '2'?
In other words is
Matriarchal Society boosted to three females?
Talosian Trial reads "Unless 4 Empathy..... discard three females OR male..."?
Ferengi Infestation reads "...up to three male Ferengi.... or up to seven... To get past requires 3 Security and Cunning>51"?

Correct?
Thanks
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By Professor Scott (Mathew McCalpin)
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Yes, Printed Number. Also technically Ferengi Infestation is a Deep Space Ten card at that point.
Last edited by Professor Scott on Fri Nov 11, 2022 6:55 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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By jadziadax8 (Maggie Geppert)
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From the printed number entry of the Glossary:

Cards that increase each "printed number" on another card affect all forms of numbers. "1" becomes "2", "one" becomes "two", [countdown:1] becomes [countdown:2], and "first" becomes "second".
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By Armus (Brian Sykes)
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And yet "once" DOES NOT become "twice"

Why is that? Did somebody break something in playtesting?
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By BCSWowbagger (James Heaney)
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Armus wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 6:57 pm And yet "once" DOES NOT become "twice"

Why is that? Did somebody break something in playtesting?
My memory is foggy, but I think it might just be a case of "none of the cards that are affected by Let Me Help or Shades of Gray: Despair say 'once', so it wasn't a necessary example."

Fun but useless fact: Shades of Gray: Despair changes "2368" to "2369" in the lore of Birth of "Junior". Despair made Junior time-travel!
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By Takket
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BCSWowbagger wrote: Sat Nov 12, 2022 2:06 am
Armus wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 6:57 pm And yet "once" DOES NOT become "twice"

Why is that? Did somebody break something in playtesting?
My memory is foggy, but I think it might just be a case of "none of the cards that are affected by Let Me Help or Shades of Gray: Despair say 'once', so it wasn't a necessary example."

Fun but useless fact: Shades of Gray: Despair changes "2368" to "2369" in the lore of Birth of "Junior". Despair made Junior time-travel!
*Tries to think of a way to abuse this with Temporal Wake*
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By TyKajada (Alexander Schmitz)
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Thanks all.

This means that

Looking For Parmach is not affected, "a female and a male" stay 1 and 1.
Same with
Unexpected "a female with Medical" stays 1.
Correct?
Bummer :P

How will Brief Romance work? "Place on two personnel present"... since there is only one physical copy of the card.

Thanks
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By nobthehobbit (Daniel Pareja)
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TyKajada wrote: Sat Nov 12, 2022 3:38 pm How will Brief Romance work? "Place on two personnel present"... since there is only one physical copy of the card.

Thanks
I'd think the one dilemma goes on both personnel and affects both equally.
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By Professor Scott (Mathew McCalpin)
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TyKajada wrote: Sat Nov 12, 2022 3:38 pm .

Thanks all.

This means that

Looking For Parmach is not affected, "a female and a male" stay 1 and 1.
Same with
Unexpected "a female with Medical" stays 1.
Correct?
Bummer :P

How will Brief Romance work? "Place on two personnel present"... since there is only one physical copy of the card.

Thanks
I am uncertain about the a as to whether that counts as one or not, so you may be right that a male and a female are 1 each, but the cunning goes to 61 and you seed 3 of the following. Unexpected follows the same format and the rest of the cards does increase.

Brief Romances stops 2 of the chosen gender. If you are trying to be technical...you could turn Brief Romance sideways and lay it over both cards...it is still placed on them. Stacking them is also legal. Also the CD2 becomes CD3
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Armus wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 6:57 pm And yet "once" DOES NOT become "twice"

Why is that? Did somebody break something in playtesting?
Obvious answer: because "once" isn't a number? You don't have twice apples, after all. :)
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By Armus (Brian Sykes)
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AllenGould wrote: Mon Nov 14, 2022 2:48 pm
Armus wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 6:57 pm And yet "once" DOES NOT become "twice"

Why is that? Did somebody break something in playtesting?
Obvious answer: because "once" isn't a number? You don't have twice apples, after all. :)
No but "I ate an apple once" can be equivalently stated as "I ate an apple one time" ... thus "one time" can be modified to "two times" and it's still a numerical increase.
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Armus wrote: Mon Nov 14, 2022 2:50 pm
No but "I ate an apple once" can be equivalently stated as "I ate an apple one time" ... thus "one time" can be modified to "two times" and it's still a numerical increase.
But equivalently stated numbers are not printed numbers. :D
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By Professor Scott (Mathew McCalpin)
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Armus wrote: Mon Nov 14, 2022 2:50 pm
AllenGould wrote: Mon Nov 14, 2022 2:48 pm
Armus wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 6:57 pm And yet "once" DOES NOT become "twice"

Why is that? Did somebody break something in playtesting?
Obvious answer: because "once" isn't a number? You don't have twice apples, after all. :)
No but "I ate an apple once" can be equivalently stated as "I ate an apple one time" ... thus "one time" can be modified to "two times" and it's still a numerical increase.
For the record, you can eat an apple twice, especially if you eat part raw and part in a pie.
 
By phaserihardlyknowher (Ben Daeuber)
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Armus wrote: Mon Nov 14, 2022 2:50 pm No but "I ate an apple once" can be equivalently stated as "I ate an apple one time" ... thus "one time" can be modified to "two times" and it's still a numerical increase.
This is one of those quirks of English that always kind of bugged me. Once, Twice, Thrice... four times? And even "thrice" is growing antiquated.

However, where this interpretation might run into problems is in situations where "once" is used to mean "formerly", e.g. "once upon a time...". I have no idea if this exists on a current card, but I could imagine that popping up. Though come to think of it, this can happen with the phrase "one time captain", though I see no instances of that in the card database.
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