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#591905
Hi,

it seems I come up with a question in every game I play, sorry.

The Spires of Romulus (https://www.trekcc.org/1e/?cardID=5303)
says my ❖ [1E-Rom] and Remans are considered native.
Do they also work with Finally Ready to Swim (https://www.trekcc.org/1e/?cardID=3637) or do I have to discard a card?

Under Distant Control the Glossary says "Additionally, since the Drone-class ship is empty, it is not staffed and if destroyed, only cards which are played on it are discarded." Is it never considered staffed or only outside Mission attempts?
I encountered The Arsenal: Divided (https://www.trekcc.org/1e/?cardID=3741) and needed a staffed ship.
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By BCSWowbagger (James Heaney)
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#591907
Rancour@gmx.de wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 6:26 pm The Spires of Romulus (https://www.trekcc.org/1e/?cardID=5303)
says my ❖ [1E-Rom] and Remans are considered native.
Do they also work with Finally Ready to Swim (https://www.trekcc.org/1e/?cardID=3637) or do I have to discard a card?
They are native but do not work with Finally Ready to Swim, because they do not gain the [22] icon. (They just get to report to Drone Control Room.) Fortunately, [22] [Rom] have plenty of ways to draw (Temporal Almanac, Reman Sacrifice), but, if you feel you need the Finally Ready draw, you might want to replace Spires of Romulus with Comfort Women (third function).
Under Distant Control the Glossary says "Additionally, since the Drone-class ship is empty, it is not staffed and if destroyed, only cards which are played on it are discarded." Is it never considered staffed or only outside Mission attempts?
I encountered The Arsenal: Divided (https://www.trekcc.org/1e/?cardID=3741) and needed a staffed ship.
It's never staffed. A Drone crew can never pass The Arsenal: Divided and will have to leave Romulus in some kind of ship.
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By Takket
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#591914
BCSWowbagger wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 6:42 pm
Rancour@gmx.de wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 6:26 pm The Spires of Romulus (https://www.trekcc.org/1e/?cardID=5303)
says my ❖ [1E-Rom] and Remans are considered native.
Do they also work with Finally Ready to Swim (https://www.trekcc.org/1e/?cardID=3637) or do I have to discard a card?
They are native but do not work with Finally Ready to Swim, because they do not gain the [22] icon. (They just get to report to Drone Control Room.) Fortunately, [22] [Rom] have plenty of ways to draw (Temporal Almanac, Reman Sacrifice), but, if you feel you need the Finally Ready draw, you might want to replace Spires of Romulus with Comfort Women (third function).
Under Distant Control the Glossary says "Additionally, since the Drone-class ship is empty, it is not staffed and if destroyed, only cards which are played on it are discarded." Is it never considered staffed or only outside Mission attempts?
I encountered The Arsenal: Divided (https://www.trekcc.org/1e/?cardID=3741) and needed a staffed ship.
It's never staffed. A Drone crew can never pass The Arsenal: Divided and will have to leave Romulus in some kind of ship.
why is ship not considered staffed when Distant Control clearly states you are attempting as the crew of the Drone?
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By Armus (Brian Sykes)
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#591915
Takket wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 10:38 pm
BCSWowbagger wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 6:42 pm
Rancour@gmx.de wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 6:26 pm The Spires of Romulus (https://www.trekcc.org/1e/?cardID=5303)
says my ❖ [1E-Rom] and Remans are considered native.
Do they also work with Finally Ready to Swim (https://www.trekcc.org/1e/?cardID=3637) or do I have to discard a card?
They are native but do not work with Finally Ready to Swim, because they do not gain the [22] icon. (They just get to report to Drone Control Room.) Fortunately, [22] [Rom] have plenty of ways to draw (Temporal Almanac, Reman Sacrifice), but, if you feel you need the Finally Ready draw, you might want to replace Spires of Romulus with Comfort Women (third function).
Under Distant Control the Glossary says "Additionally, since the Drone-class ship is empty, it is not staffed and if destroyed, only cards which are played on it are discarded." Is it never considered staffed or only outside Mission attempts?
I encountered The Arsenal: Divided (https://www.trekcc.org/1e/?cardID=3741) and needed a staffed ship.
It's never staffed. A Drone crew can never pass The Arsenal: Divided and will have to leave Romulus in some kind of ship.
why is ship not considered staffed when Distant Control clearly states you are attempting as the crew of the Drone?
Because the crew of the ship is who faces dilemmas at a space mission. Doesn't change the fact that they aren't physically there to staff the ship.
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By BCSWowbagger (James Heaney)
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#591917
Armus wrote: Sat Jan 21, 2023 10:41 pm Because the crew of the ship is who faces dilemmas at a space mission. Doesn't change the fact that they aren't physically there to staff the ship.
That's my memory of the reasoning. They are facing dilemmas via Zoom call, but they aren't actually there. That's the concept for Distant Control. All the rulings and things are just footnotes on that concept. If they were actually there staffing the ship, they could also relocate to the spaceline or die normally, and Distant Control would be vastly less weird + interesting.

However, the less explanatory reason for why they aren't staffing the ship is because the Glossary says so:
Additionally, since the Drone-class ship is empty, it is not staffed and if destroyed, only cards which are played on it are discarded.
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By Takket
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#591918
yeah wow... I take issue with that lol

Distant Control confers a VERY specific characteristic on those people when they are attempting and that is CREW. And crew has a very specific and unambiguous meaning in the game.
When your personnel are aboard a ship or space facility that you control, they are a crew.
Your personnel might by at the Drone Control Room, but cards override rules and Distant Control says when attempting "may attempt [S] missions as the crew". They've been granted the status of crew by Distant Control during the attempt, and ships are staffed by their crews.

Distant Control doesn't say "may attempt the space mission at the location of your drone as if they were aboard the drone at that location". The word crew isn't used there so they certainly wouldn't count as being in the crew, and thus couldn't contribute to staffing.

Edit: I agree the ship is NOT staffed because the glossary says so, I'm arguing the glossary shouldn't say that.
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By nobthehobbit (Daniel Pareja)
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#591923
These rulings are not contradictory.

Personnel aboard a ship or space facility are a crew.

Personnel attempting a mission with Distant Control do so as the crew. That does not mean that they are aboard the ship.

Crew do not staff ships because they are crew. Personnel aboard the ship staff ships, and, because they are aboard the ship, are crew. Distant Control works in such a way that it creates personnel who are crew but are not aboard the ship, and therefore do not staff the ship.
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