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By Takket
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#591913
If a card such as Royale Casino: Blackjack or Royale Casino: Slots causes both players to score (+/- 5 points), who's bonus point area does the dilemma go into?

Normally bonus points cause a dilemma to be placed in the scorer's bonus point area, regardless of the owner. Such as scoring 15 off your opponent's Cytherians

There are several outcomes here.

1. If you own the card, encounter the card, and score positive points, place it in your bonus point area. (This seems obvious).

2. If you do not own the card, encounter the card, and score positive points, place it in your bonus point area. (This is not so obvious, but consistent with every other rule about where to put a card with bonus points)

3. If you own the card, encounter the card, and score negative points, while opponent scores positive. I would still think as the player encountering the dilemma that this would go in the your bonus point area. Correct?

4. If you do not own the card, encounter the card, and score negative points, while opponent scores positive. I would still think as the player encountering the dilemma that this would go in the your bonus point area. Correct?

Yes this can get weirder.........

Now lets suppose someone is playing Borg, and does not score bonus points. It would seem to me that in this situation, the card should always go in the NON-Borg player's bonus point area, regardless of whether that person scored +5 or -5, since they are the only person that is scoring off the dilemma.

If both players are playing Borg, the dilemma would be discarded since no one scores any bonus points.

Am I correct?

Other question: if both players bust at Blackjack (over 21), do they both lose points, or do they both score 0?
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By boromirofborg (Trek Barnes)
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#591921
Oddly enough, this is one of the few times I feel the answer is "it doesn't matter". The point box only has one real gameplay impact - that card is no longer in play, is not in your discard pile, and has no real way to be interacted with.

If a card with a bonus point box is worth points to you when it leaves play, place it in a point area on your side of the table so that you remember those points. These cards are not in play, nor are they part of your discard pile.
They are a memory aid, but since you can score bonus points without them (Dabo, for example), they aren't strictly required.
Likewise, a card with a bonus point box may be diverted from your bonus point area even after scoring (for example, by You Can't Kill the Captain).
There are ways to divert or redirect cards from the bonus point area, but none that I am aware of that get them back once they are there.

So given all that I cannot think of a time where it would matter who's point area it is in, and I hope that's not a design space that's ever really explored, personally. ;)
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By nobthehobbit (Daniel Pareja)
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#591924
Oof! will move all copies of Amanda Rogers, Amanda Rogers: Protector, Kevin Uxbridge, Kevin Uxbridge: Convergence and Q2 from your opponent's bonus point area out of play, but I don't think there's a way to get them back from that and it's not particularly germane to the question of where a card that changes both players' point totals goes.

I'd tend to say that it doesn't matter, or that it would go into some sort of "shared" bonus point area with something to track who scored what from it.
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By Enabran
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#591929
I just noticed that the errata of Oof! made Kevin Uxbridge: Convergence immune to it :D
Except when you place it in your point area with Process Ore: Mining

Happy free Convergencing!
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By boromirofborg (Trek Barnes)
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nobthehobbit wrote: Sun Jan 22, 2023 1:24 am Oof! will move all copies of Amanda Rogers, Amanda Rogers: Protector, Kevin Uxbridge, Kevin Uxbridge: Convergence and Q2 from your opponent's bonus point area out of play, but I don't think there's a way to get them back from that and it's not particularly germane to the question of where a card that changes both players' point totals goes.

I'd tend to say that it doesn't matter, or that it would go into some sort of "shared" bonus point area with something to track who scored what from it.
And Oof! only really does that because originally it removed them from your discard pile, because they didn't have point boxes.
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By nobthehobbit (Daniel Pareja)
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#591956
Enabran wrote: Sun Jan 22, 2023 4:46 am I just noticed that the errata of Oof! made Kevin Uxbridge: Convergence immune to it :D
Except when you place it in your point area with Process Ore: Mining

Happy free Convergencing!
Now that this has been noticed, I wonder if Convergence will get an erratum to add a 0-point point box to it.
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By winterflames (Derek Marlar)
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#592008
No. Convergence is not as dangerous as the other Kevin. It only hits things on one space line location. It can't do anything about stuff on the table, at time locations, or on a pile. Convergence is omnipotent, but not omnipresent.
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