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Second Edition Playtest Manager
By Faithful Reader (Ross Fertel)
 - Second Edition Playtest Manager
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#593514
With Investigate Warp Signature, I can just not stock Launch the Phoenix, right? I can simply just play the Phoenix as part of my card play. IWS forces me to download LtP, but if I do not have that card, no harm no foul?
Last edited by Faithful Reader on Thu Feb 09, 2023 9:56 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Second Edition Playtest Manager
By Faithful Reader (Ross Fertel)
 - Second Edition Playtest Manager
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Continuing Committee Member - Retired
#593517
It's not in my deck.

What about Energy Vortex if I have no other cards in my hand?

What about Subspace Schism if I drew my last card?

What about Navigate Plasma Storms if I have no cards left in my draw deck?

What about Obsession if I do not have any more Self cards?

What about Obsession if I have Make a Difference Again?
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By winterflames (Derek Marlar)
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#593522
Faithful Reader wrote: Thu Feb 09, 2023 10:04 am It's not in my deck.

What about Energy Vortex if I have no other cards in my hand?
Then you can't play anything.
What about Subspace Schism if I drew my last card?
Then you can't draw anything.
What about Navigate Plasma Storms if I have no cards left in my draw deck?
An Empty probe has no icons.
What about Obsession if I do not have any more Self cards?
You cannot play a card if you can't fullfil it's Must Download Actions.
What about Obsession if I have Make a Difference Again?
I don't follow?
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By Armus (Brian Sykes)
 - The Center of the Galaxy
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#593528
Faithful Reader wrote: Thu Feb 09, 2023 10:54 am
winterflames wrote:
I don't follow?
Meant Battle Stations: Sovereign Class
Yeah, Obsession and BS:SC don't play nice together.

Just like Obsession and Squire don't play nice together.

Pro Tip: Don't use Obsession in the same deck with either of those cards.
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Director of First Edition
By MidnightLich (Charlie Plaine)
 - Director of First Edition
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#593530
In 2E, you "do as much as you can," so if you can't download something, you just don't. That's not true in 1E. If you are required to do something as part of a card, you can't play that card at all if you can't do everything it asks you to. So you can't seed Investigate Warp Signature if you can't download Launch the Phoenix.

-crp
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First Edition Rules Master
By BCSWowbagger (James Heaney)
 - First Edition Rules Master
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#593536
MidnightLich wrote: Thu Feb 09, 2023 11:20 am In 2E, you "do as much as you can," so if you can't download something, you just don't. That's not true in 1E. If you are required to do something as part of a card, you can't play that card at all if you can't do everything it asks you to. So you can't seed Investigate Warp Signature if you can't download Launch the Phoenix.

-crp
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#594125
As a follow-up question, so how does Activate Subcommands work if its download is invalid? The Rulebook mentions the card in "Clarifications: Invalid Downloads" but not its ultimate fate. Once upon a time it appears it would've been discarded, as described in a Rakal review covering resource expenditure:
If you attempt a download that expends some "resource" (you play a card, you use a special icon, you forfeit your card draw), and the download proves invalid, the resource is still used. In the above example, the Activate Subcommands card is still discarded, and you cannot play another card this turn, even though your download failed.
However, things happen, and the Rulebook has this to say under "Clarifications: Required Downloads":
If a card requires downloads (for example, 22nd-Century Japan), but the required cards cannot be downloaded, the card cannot be played.
Does Activate Subcommands fall under the umbrella of "required" downloads, returning to your hand instead? Do resources remain spent?
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