[boromirofborg]

OK, I think I get the debate.

Let's imagine there's a new mission:

Cadet's First Mission
- [Any affiliation] [10]
And the requirement's box is blank.

How would we treat this card if it was printed today?

I would say based on the existing rules, as long as you had an away team of at least one personnel attempt it, you could solve it.

And Dixion Hill makes any mission like that.

[AllenGould]

OK, I think I get the debate.

Let's imagine there's a new mission:

Cadet's First Mission
- [Any affiliation] [10]
And the requirement's box is blank.

How would we treat this card if it was printed today?

With errata, because someone screwed up.

If the intention was to do a Q's Planet style mission, it would have "Any personnel" for requirements.

[Rachmaninoff]

If I understood JeBuS's question correctly, it's equivalent to asking "what happens if you hit Tricyanate Poisoning at a planet and the closest space mission is a universal Space or Nebula." Is it auto-pass (there are no requirements, so you automatically satisfy them) or auto-fail (you cannot meet a requirement that does not exist). I'm quite confident the first answer is the right one.

[JeBuS]

If I understood JeBuS's question correctly, it's equivalent to asking "what happens if you hit Tricyanate Poisoning at a planet and the closest space mission is a universal Space or Nebula." Is it auto-pass (there are no requirements, so you automatically satisfy them) or auto-fail (you cannot meet a requirement that does not exist). I'm quite confident the first answer is the right one.

I hadn't even considered that scenario, but yes, that's equivalent.

[Rachmaninoff]

I hadn't even considered that scenario, but yes, that's equivalent.

This probably says more about me than anything else, but these kind of rules questions always make me suspicious that someone wants to try something tricky, and wants to find out if it works without revealing their tech by asking an equivalent but innocent-sounding question!

[Armus]

I hadn't even considered that scenario, but yes, that's equivalent.

This probably says more about me than anything else, but these kind of rules questions always make me suspicious that someone wants to try something tricky, and wants to find out if it works without revealing their tech by asking an equivalent but innocent-sounding question!

Oh he's totally doing that, just not the scenario you mentioned...

[JeBuS]

I hadn't even considered that scenario, but yes, that's equivalent.

This probably says more about me than anything else, but these kind of rules questions always make me suspicious that someone wants to try something tricky, and wants to find out if it works without revealing their tech by asking an equivalent but innocent-sounding question!

Oh he's totally doing that, just not the scenario you mentioned...

Yeah, both can be true.

[Rachmaninoff]

I hadn't even considered that scenario, but yes, that's equivalent.

This probably says more about me than anything else, but these kind of rules questions always make me suspicious that someone wants to try something tricky, and wants to find out if it works without revealing their tech by asking an equivalent but innocent-sounding question!

Oh he's totally doing that, just not the scenario you mentioned...

Actually the first trick that came to my mind was Whale Infestation but with Lack of Preparation, with the goal of making your opponent lose infinite points. But I don't think that would work regardless of the answer to this question, since LoP refers to "start of mission attempt" which isn't valid in a Nebula encounter. (Or is it? Perhaps the same question could be asked of that kind of text, if there is no mission attempt could you have met skills at its start? )

[Armus]

This probably says more about me than anything else, but these kind of rules questions always make me suspicious that someone wants to try something tricky, and wants to find out if it works without revealing their tech by asking an equivalent but innocent-sounding question!

Oh he's totally doing that, just not the scenario you mentioned...

Actually the first trick that came to my mind was Whale Infestation but with Lack of Preparation, with the goal of making your opponent lose infinite points. But I don't think that would work regardless of the answer to this question, since LoP refers to "start of mission attempt" which isn't valid in a Nebula encounter. (Or is it? Perhaps the same question could be asked of that kind of text, if there is no mission attempt could you have met skills at its start? )

I don't think Lack of Prep does anything against a non-Borg player at a Nebula if it gets faced by its own text, as there's no mission attempt to evaluate. I would think it would just discard.

[Rachmaninoff]

I don't think Lack of Prep does anything against a non-Borg player at a Nebula if it gets faced by its own text, as there's no mission attempt to evaluate. I would think it would just discard.

Agreed -- and that's why I changed my example to Tricyanate -- but given the nature of the original question (if there are no requirements, did you meet them or not?) you can formulate a competing argument. If the condition of Lack of Prep is "you met the mission requirements when you started the attempt", and there is no attempt, is this condition automatically satisfied or automatically failed (after all, you DIDN'T "meet conditions at the start of an attempt" because there is no attempt ). I don't agree with this interpretation, and consider this one more reason to treat vacuous statements as true rather than false.

[Takket]

I didn't realize that "that's dumb" is a valid argument in 1E.

Nullifies Parallax Arguers

[Professor Scott]

I didn't realize that "that's dumb" is a valid argument in 1E.

Nullifies Parallax Arguers

That's a stupid question!