[boromirofborg]

I am attempting a mission, and my ship becomes Preoccupied.

I then encounter a Tareelian Plague Ship.

I have Palteth and a Medical PADD.

Because he only had one skill originally and gained MEDICAL from the PADD, is that now his second listed skill?

At first I thought no, first listed skill is something that is printed on the card, but looking at the glossary, Assimilation moved the classification down to the first listed, so I am currently thinking yes.

(And this would only work if the personnel had only one printed skill to begin with)

[Takket]

medical is his second listed skill.

Glossary:

Selecting, Adding, Gaining, Doubling, and Sharing Skills

When a card allows you to select (e.g., K'chiQ, Lal, Reflection Therapy, Frame of Mind), add (e.g.,Vulcan Mindmeld), double (e.g., Ishka), or share (e.g., Interlink Drone) personnel skills, you may select, add, double, or share only regular skills. If a skill is already present in the skills box, the level of that skill is increased; skills not already present in the skills box are conceptually added to the end of the skills box for purposes of cards such as Fightin' Words. For example, if Lt. D'Amato (Geology x2, Archaeology) adds Geology with a Classic Tricorder, his skills will be Geology x3, Archaeology; if instead he adds Physics, his skills will be Geology x2, Archaeology, Physics.

[eberlems]

Kind of follow up:
If there are multiple skills added by different cards, what decides the order?

[JeBuS]

The bookkeeping on that is obnoxious.

Anyone want to lobby Rules to make it alphabetical order for "unlisted" skills?

[Ashigaru]

I see two answers and I'd accept either one.

1) Alphabetical
2) Listed in order they were added and, when simultaneously, player's choice.

[Armus]

The bookkeeping on that is obnoxious.

Anyone want to lobby Rules to make it alphabetical order for "unlisted" skills?

Keep that 2e crap out of my 1e.

You can have alphabetical listing of skills or chronological skill loss. Not both.

Ask any 2e player about how obnoxious Accelerated Aging is when it only hits Acquisition, Anthropology, or Archaeology and that's a mission skill. There's a reason it got retired in Hall of Fame years ago.

[Ashigaru]

The bookkeeping on that is obnoxious.

Anyone want to lobby Rules to make it alphabetical order for "unlisted" skills?

Keep that 2e crap out of my 1e.

You can have alphabetical listing of skills or chronological skill loss. Not both.

Ask any 2e player about how obnoxious Accelerated Aging is when it only hits Acquisition, Anthropology, or Archaeology and that's a mission skill. There's a reason it got retired in Hall of Fame years ago.

I'd suggest this isn't quite as troublesome as that must have been (Never played 2E, so I'll take your word for it), because this is only dealing with added skills, so it would never hit first-listed. What answer would you propose? You have some personnel with their printed skills, they do a Vulcan Mindmeld, and then they join some skill equipment. What order do you propose in the event it matters?

[AllenGould]

What answer would you propose? You have some personnel with their printed skills, they do a Vulcan Mindmeld, and then they join some skill equipment. What order do you propose in the event it matters?

In the order it happened.

Dr Selar (MEDICAL - Computer Skill, Mindmeld)
They mindmeld with Picard to get Music.
Now they're MEDICAL - Computer Skill, Mindmeld, Music
Hand them a Science PADD (gives SCIENCE to MED-classification)
Now they're MEDICAL - Computer Skill, Mindmeld, Music, SCIENCE.
End of turn hits, Mindmeld wears off.
Now they're MEDICAL - Computer Skill, Mindmeld, SCIENCE.
Mindmeld with Picard again?
MEDICAL - Computer Skill, Mindmeld, SCIENCE, Music.

Just requires players to be upfront with what they're doing.

[Jono]

I would rule, if they gain the skills at the same time (for example via Vulcan Mindmeld)… the order in which the skills are added is choice of the player playing the card adding the skills.

[boromirofborg]

Just requires players to be upfront with what they're doing.

well, upfront with what they are doing and keeping a note in order perhaps. Over several turns remembering which people joined the crew before or after the equipments, etc can be tough. I can easily imagine a situation where I've got 5 OFFICERS, a Medical Kit, and Engineering Kit, and no real clue as to the time stamps of what order.

I might be able to look back at the log in lackey, but can't in paper because notes like that aren't allowed. (rant for a different day.)

99.99999% of the time won't matter, but it also wouldn't matter if they were alphabetical either. And while I agree with Armus about order of skills in general as printed, I do think that when adding multiple invisible skills, alphabetical makes more sense.

[Takket]

I would rule, if they gain the skills at the same time (for example via Vulcan Mindmeld)… the order in which the skills are added is choice of the player playing the card adding the skills.

Yeah I agree with this. This is rarely ever going to be gameplay relevant. And I'm not going to hold up a game declaring what order people added skills in. If it becomes gameplay relevant (Like Ben Maxwell has a medical, science and engineering kit, and runs into preoccupied) then i have to declare at that time which is his second listed skill.

Just make it Owner's choice.

Although that begs the question, what if i forget? I hit preoccupied, i say "that's nice" and go on to the next dilemma which is Hippocratic Oath. Should i be allowed at that time to say his second listed skill is the MEDICAL so I can pass Oath? I'd still say make it Owner's choice at that time when it matters. It is so rare and just easier for everyone involved. But once you commit to a second skill you can't change it later.

[JeBuS]

The bookkeeping on that is obnoxious.

Anyone want to lobby Rules to make it alphabetical order for "unlisted" skills?

Keep that 2e crap out of my 1e.

You can have alphabetical listing of skills or chronological skill loss. Not both.

Ask any 2e player about how obnoxious Accelerated Aging is when it only hits Acquisition, Anthropology, or Archaeology and that's a mission skill. There's a reason it got retired in Hall of Fame years ago.

I'm not advocating for all skills to be considered alphabetical. Only the unlisted ones that can and do change often enough during a game that I'd need spreadsheets to keep track.

[AllenGould]

I'm not advocating for all skills to be considered alphabetical. Only the unlisted ones that can and do change often enough during a game that I'd need spreadsheets to keep track.

There's also the case of how often it even comes up.

Most cards only hit first-listed, a handful hit 1st and 2nd, and there are currently zero cards that go three deep.

So this whole argument only matters for (1) mission specialists who (2) hit one of the two cards in the game that touch second-listed skill and (3) are under the effect of multiple "gain a skill" effects.

Put another way - someone wake me up when it actually happens at a table.

[JeBuS]

It doesn't negate the fact that we have created a situation that maybe one in a million people could actually keep track of according to Rules. And if we aren't capable of playing according to the rules, it's probably the rules that should change.

We like that 1e is a complicated game. But to play by the rules here is absurd.

[Ashigaru]

Right now, two people are saying "How many skills can we fit onto a mission specialist and ram into Preoccupied JUST to force this scenario..."