[BCSWowbagger]

It would explain why Quigon never takes his Republic credits to someone he CAN mind trick into exchanging them into something Watto would accept. Or why he never puts any effort whatsoever into freeing Shmi Skywalker.

Ding ding ding! I knew I was forgetting some stuff, but not bothering to free Shmi -- not even TRYING -- is some high-powered Sith Lord crap.

Shmi may help explain why he waited until Anakin was older than the average Jedi recruit, too: Anakin would remember his mother, and miss her, in a way that younger recruits would not. Darth Plagueis knew that would both hurt him, making him vulnerable to hatred (exactly as Yoda suggests in the "fear leads to anger" argument), and it would make him resent the Jedi, making it easier to turn him later. Which, of course, is exactly what happens later on.

[HoodieDM]

You guys are hilarious. If QGJ was Plagueis for the reasons you listed, man I'm not sure who you'd consider Quinlan Voss to be then! Dude was totally Grey... LoL

~D

[AllenGould]

Shmi may help explain why he waited until Anakin was older than the average Jedi recruit, too: Anakin would remember his mother, and miss her, in a way that younger recruits would not. Darth Plagueis knew that would both hurt him, making him vulnerable to hatred (exactly as Yoda suggests in the "fear leads to anger" argument), and it would make him resent the Jedi, making it easier to turn him later. Which, of course, is exactly what happens later on.

Which does lead to the question of - Yoda knows firsthand what happens when you let Obi-Wan train a kid who is too old. Luke is even older (and not really less whiny IMO)... but Yoda trains him anyway. Desperation, or is Obi-Wan really that bad of a mentor?

[nobthehobbit]

You guys are hilarious. If QGJ was Plagueis for the reasons you listed, man I'm not sure who you'd consider Quinlan Voss to be then! Dude was totally Grey... LoL

~D

Even if Qui-Gon is actually a Sith, that doesn't mean there can't be Grey Jedi.

[SudenKapala]

* What's the one reliable way to identify a good Jedi versus a Sith? A good Jedi, when he or she dies, fades away into the Force, leaving only clothing behind. What happens to Qui-Gon? He's the first "light side" Jedi in the saga to have to be cremated instead.

In various (older) installments of the extended universe, the vanishing was only reserved for Light Jedi Masters, not knights. I always figured that it might have something to do with that...
For the rest -- fairly compelling arguments. Except perhaps for the "in his sleep"; that metaphor seems a bit flimsy. Still, over the whole, it works surprisingly well...

I read "something, somewhere", about the viewing order of the films, a few years back... And one order was also based on a compelling -- and to my mind, surprisingly solid -- fan theory. But it was years ago. I'm sure I saved a link somewhere, but... I do wonder now, whether it has to do with this theory.

[Boffo97]

Up until recently, I always read the disappearing thing is a Jedi disappears if you are prepared to die. Quigon was surprised, as were Mace Windu's party and most of the Jedi killed by Order 66.

Obi Wan, Yoda and Luke are all prepared to die

(though I am glad TRoS fixed that whole issue where interstellar image transmission killed Luke after a short while but Snoke could do it long term for Rey and Kylo no issue)

, and then

Leia's disappearance some time after dying was just odd, but with Carrie Fisher passing, they were limited in their options.

[AllenGould]

Up until recently, I always read the disappearing thing is a Jedi disappears if you are prepared to die. Quigon was surprised, as were Mace Windu's party and most of the Jedi killed by Order 66.

But yet, those guys show up in the "voices of Jedi past". So.. shrugemoji?

[Boffo97]

Up until recently, I always read the disappearing thing is a Jedi disappears if you are prepared to die. Quigon was surprised, as were Mace Windu's party and most of the Jedi killed by Order 66.

But yet, those guys show up in the "voices of Jedi past". So.. shrugemoji?

If one even needs to disappear in order to become a Force ghost, then one presumes that burning is an acceptable substitute for disappearing, as Anakin showed up as soon as he got burned in RotJ.

And I guess we would then need to assume Mace Windu's body was recovered and burned at some point.

[AllenGould]

Up until recently, I always read the disappearing thing is a Jedi disappears if you are prepared to die. Quigon was surprised, as were Mace Windu's party and most of the Jedi killed by Order 66.

But yet, those guys show up in the "voices of Jedi past". So.. shrugemoji?

If one even needs to disappear in order to become a Force ghost, then one presumes that burning is an acceptable substitute for disappearing, as Anakin showed up as soon as he got burned in RotJ.

And I guess we would then need to assume Mace Windu's body was recovered and burned at some point.

Or just assume that *all* Jedi get ForceGhosted on death, and one of two possibilities:
1. Jedi are released from all the dumb "no fun" rules upon demise and are too busy at the Afterlife Casino and Resort to want to deal with the mortal world.
2. This explains why the Jedi are never seen as terribly popular in the Wars 'verse, because most people are being bothered by Force Ghosts giving advice at inopportune moments. "Frank... remember to wash the dishes Frank..."