[bhosp]

I wonder why they didn't call this Mary Sue: The Movie?

Well that was always going to happen when they made a Captain Marvel movie.

[Faithful Reader]

I wonder why they didn't call this Mary Sue: The Movie?

Well that was always going to happen when they made a Captain Marvel movie.

It didn't with Thor. Though, admittedly, they did have to make him lose powers. Or Hulk. Though he is his own drawback.

[bhosp]

If anything they had to tone Carol’s power level down a little bit from the comics. Yes I’m aware that I’m saying that about a movie where she kills a spaceship by punching it.

[monty42]

EVERYBODY'S MAD THAT CAPTAIN MARVEL DOESN'T HAVE BALLS!

[Fritzinger]

So I came out thinking "Wonder Woman was good enough to be Marvel, Captain Marvel was bad enough to be DC"... But my wife convinced me that I might have missed some things so I'm going to see it again. Maybe.

There was a lot of "i can tell this is supposed to be important but the movie sure didn't help me understand / believe why". Like Hayden Christiansen's whining eventually driving him to mass child slaughter or Snape turning out to be the Half Blood Prince or every DC movie.

I found it difficult to believe Phil's mutiny, or suddenly trust the skrull (If they're so down and out why are they invading places and why do they have a big ass spaceship filled with warriors?)

Superhero movies used to all be full of why do I care moments but then Marvel proved that it can be done right. Over and over and over. So how the hell did they stuff this one up?

Anyway, Brie Larson seems like a good actress with some quirky different mannerisms. I appreciated the 90s quirks, the story had some elements that made this an actual woman's story (not just woman playing a man), and the Marvel salutes. Maybe with the exception of the Marvel vs Mar-Vell that was just too far past the 4th wall.

[bhosp]

So I came out thinking "Wonder Woman was good enough to be Marvel, Captain Marvel was bad enough to be DC"... But my wife convinced me that I might have missed some things so I'm going to see it again. Maybe.

This is a good take, but you’re either being too harsh on Captain Marvel or too generous to DC. I gave Captain Marvel a C+, and I meant it: a slightly-better-than-average passing grade. There aren’t any Marvel movies that are worse than a D+, and I can’t think of an example of one that’s worse than a C+ off the top of my head. (Thor 2? But I barely remember it so how bad could it be?)

Meanwhile Wonder Woman was so unusually good for DC that I still haven’t seen Justice League because I don’t want them to rub DCEU nonsense all over my beautiful Amazon lunatic idiot. (Diana’s one weakness is that she’s kinda dumb, which is good for the character, saves her from being a Mary Sue, same dynamic as Pike being kinda dumb on Discovery.)

Anyway, Brie Larson seems like a good actress with some quirky different mannerisms. I appreciated the 90s quirks, the story had some elements that made this an actual woman's story (not just woman playing a man), and the Marvel salutes. Maybe with the exception of the Marvel vs Mar-Vell that was just too far past the 4th wall.

Good call on “this is actually the story of a woman” which is often missing from genre fiction. (I’m not sure even Ripley really counts as not “a woman playing a man”.)

But the Mar-Vell/Marvel thing is the same issue as “isn’t she kind of a Mary Sue?” Yeah, it’s dumb, but take it up with Stan Lee.

(Again, I remain shocked by the restraint of not even implying any romantic interest between Carol and Nick Fury.)

[Iron Prime]

I enjoyed it. Can't pick between giving it a C+ and a B-. I would say most of the critiques in this thread are fair. They took the 90's nostalgia right up to the limit but I'm not sure if they gave us one-too-many or not. I'll have to see it a second time (probably when the blu-ray releases)

Personally I'm thinking she'll be a character that excels as part of the larger ensemble movies but struggles a little bit in movies of her own. Iron Man and Thor can fall in this boat as well. We'll see...

[Armus]

I enjoyed it. Can't pick between giving it a C+ and a B-. I would say most of the critiques in this thread are fair. They took the 90's nostalgia right up to the limit but I'm not sure if they gave us one-too-many or not. I'll have to see it a second time (probably when the blu-ray releases)

Personally I'm thinking she'll be a character that excels as part of the larger ensemble movies but struggles a little bit in movies of her own. Iron Man and Thor can fall in this boat as well. We'll see...

Personally I thought Iron Man was amazing.

[Iron Prime]

I enjoyed it. Can't pick between giving it a C+ and a B-. I would say most of the critiques in this thread are fair. They took the 90's nostalgia right up to the limit but I'm not sure if they gave us one-too-many or not. I'll have to see it a second time (probably when the blu-ray releases)

Personally I'm thinking she'll be a character that excels as part of the larger ensemble movies but struggles a little bit in movies of her own. Iron Man and Thor can fall in this boat as well. We'll see...

Personally I thought Iron Man was amazing.

#1 is fantastic, but if I'm honest with myself #2 and #3 are lacking (good, fun, but lacking). Iron Man has been my favorite for a long time! (since the late 80s or very early 90s)

[AllenGould]

Personally I'm thinking she'll be a character that excels as part of the larger ensemble movies but struggles a little bit in movies of her own. Iron Man and Thor can fall in this boat as well. We'll see...

Surprised you didn't go with Hulk as the poster child for "great supporting character, can't carry a movie on their own" (look at how many times Marvel has *tried*!)

We just got back from the theatre, and I think I can sum it up thusly:
The gents in our group thought it was a pretty good movie.
The ladies in our group thought it was a really good movie.
The 12-year-old girl was bouncing in her chair the whole time and thought it was AMAZING.

So, I'd say that it's hitting the audience it was aimed at.

[Marquetry]

We greatly enjoyed it, probably will go see it again

[Iron Prime]

Personally I'm thinking she'll be a character that excels as part of the larger ensemble movies but struggles a little bit in movies of her own. Iron Man and Thor can fall in this boat as well. We'll see...

Surprised you didn't go with Hulk as the poster child for "great supporting character, can't carry a movie on their own" (look at how many times Marvel has *tried*!)

We just got back from the theatre, and I think I can sum it up thusly:
The gents in our group thought it was a pretty good movie.
The ladies in our group thought it was a really good movie.
The 12-year-old girl was bouncing in her chair the whole time and thought it was AMAZING.

So, I'd say that it's hitting the audience it was aimed at.

I thought about it but I decided:
A) Iron Man and Thor were more popular - making more of a point, and
B) They have come right out and said they were having trouble with Hulk movies and this his "new movie" would be told in thirds during Infinity War, Ragnarok, and End game. (so this made it feel like a Hulk example would need an asterisk)

I'm basing item B on the 4:29 mark of this.

[AllenGould]

B) They have come right out and said they were having trouble with Hulk movies and this his "new movie" would be told in thirds during Infinity War, Ragnarok, and End game.

But that's pretty much exactly what you're proposing

Personally, I think Brie Larson can carry a movie - she's just not going to be fighting HYDRA. The one thing Marvel does well is keep their various heroes in their own tiers* - you don't see the Guardians or Doctor Strange doing street patrols, and you don't see Daredevil fighting cosmic horrors. (Or for a recent example, how they made sure Thor and Hulk were AWOL for Civil War, or the classical "why doesn't Steve call Thor for some backup during Winter Soldier?"). Her comics are out in space (the last ones I saw had her running Alpha Flight from an orbiting station), so the threats will scale to the power level.




* except for the Writer's Pets, like Spidey and Wolverine - then they just show up everywhere.

[Iron Prime]

I do appreciate the hero tiering. I guess what I'm trying to get at is that Hulk doesn't seem to work in his own movie but other heros work in their own movie but work better as part of larger cast.


I guess we'll know for sure (hopefully) in a month and a half. Either way I'm sure I'll buy the blu-ray when it comes out...

[T-Ricks]

The tribute to Stan Lee was nice. The audience I was with appreciated it.