[mrpurple]

So still new to the game and working on deck designs. But this dilemma seems broken.

https://www.trekcc.org/1e/index.php?mod ... cardID=946

If it kills half an away team usually why don't most deck run two of these?

Also, is there a good way to avoid running into this dilemma?

[Mogor]

So why most decks don't run it, as it requires a hefty wall dilemma to help set it up, popular choice is founder's secret

2. Against certain deck types its worthless, ie borg or BCS's 2a deck

[Latok]

Guns or red drones can make it do literally nothing for one. Also if they only hit the dilemma with three people than it's just an Armus: Skin of Evil(with All-Consuming
Evil) that is countered by a gun, so you need to put a wall in front of it. It is actually very popular though, so these counters aren't theoretical people build decks considering how to add weapons to reduce the flapjacks effectiveness.

Playing against it, if you hit an attribute wall at a planet, commonly Founder Secret, expect this as the follow up and attempt with expendable and as few people as possible and your phasers/disruptors.

[mrpurple]

I see. Thanks for the help!

[BCSWowbagger]

It is the third-most popular dilemma in the game, so it is definitely a very strong and well-respected card.

Not quite broken, though, because everybody techs against it. Hand weapons are a popular counter, as is redshirting, and even The Genesis Effect in some metas.

[Spectre9]

You don't spam out 20 personnel without expecting a few casualties.

Guns! Gotta stock up those guns.

It's a good meta dilemma because it punishes big away teams.

[Mogor]

You don't spam out 20 personnel without expecting a few casualties.

Guns! Gotta stock up those guns.

It's a good meta dilemma because it punishes big away teams.

One of the few times, I've really upset the player I was playing against is with a big team that didnt take any casualties. 5+ guns, some red na borg and who cares about the pancakes

[Spectre9]

It was never immediately apparent that non- icon personnel count as Borgs to me.

DNP says you need a Borg.

Cards like Orum and Riley Frazier say they're Human and Romulan respectively.

So is a liberated Borg a Borg? Or a half Borg? Or just counts as Borg?

[Kaiser]

It was never immediately apparent that non- icon personnel count as Borgs to me.

DNP says you need a Borg.

Cards like Orum and Riley Frazier say they're Human and Romulan respectively.

So is a liberated Borg a Borg? Or a half Borg? Or just counts as Borg?

Frazier and Orum, or Jean-Luc for that matter, are Borg. The cards say so.

[Armus]

It was never immediately apparent that non- icon personnel count as Borgs to me.

DNP says you need a Borg.

Cards like Orum and Riley Frazier say they're Human and Romulan respectively.

So is a liberated Borg a Borg? Or a half Borg? Or just counts as Borg?

Those guys are Borg. Their lore says so. They're also Human/ Romulan/ etc. Their lore says so there too.

Those things aren't mutually exclusive. In 1e, you are what your lore, species, and affiliation say you are.

That said, those guys aren't Borg Drones or , because their affiliation and lore don't say that they are.

[Spectre9]

Oh I get it now.

There are a bunch of dilemmas that actually specify "drone" such as Founder Secret whereas DNP doesn't.

Cool

[BCSWowbagger]

A non- personnel with a is considered Borg species (as well as their other species). Yes, kind of like a half-Borg. It should say this in lore as well, for clarity, but I'm not certain that rule has always always been followed without fail.


This is explained in species in the Glossary or in the terrifyingly long Species sidebar in the Rulebook.


Yes, this causes problems on a handful of early cards that used the word "Borg" to refer to the affiliation when they should have used " ". For example, Ensign Jameson cannot report to Ferengi Trading Post natively.

EDIT: I typed slow.

[winterflames]

A non- personnel with a is considered Borg species (as well as their other species). Yes, kind of like a half-Borg. It should say this in lore as well, for clarity, but I'm not certain that rule has always always been followed without fail.


This is explained in species in the Glossary or in the terrifyingly long Species sidebar in the Rulebook.


Yes, this causes problems on a handful of early cards that used the word "Borg" to refer to the affiliation when they should have used " ". For example, Ensign Jameson cannot report to Ferengi Trading Post natively.

EDIT: I typed slow.

Why is Ensign Jameson tagged Human? The only species given in her lore is Borg, unlike the Tsukantze, Borg, and Voyager versions which state she is human and Borg.

[Spectre9]

He means Ferengi Trading Post says non-Borg

So not just affiliation but personnel with Borg in lore are restricted from reporting there.

[winterflames]

He means Ferengi Trading Post says non-Borg

So not just affiliation but personnel with Borg in lore are restricted from reporting there.

Which completely avoids the question. According to the rules, your species is what is listed in lore. ensign jameson only says she is Borg.