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By Ensign Q
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#541949
last time hoss won with a borg deck (once!) was june 2018 in a completely different meta. confirmation bias is strong with this topic
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By Armus (Brian Sykes)
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#541952
Ensign Q wrote: Thu Feb 04, 2021 3:49 pm last time hoss won with a borg deck (once!) was june 2018 in a completely different meta. confirmation bias is strong with this topic
You obviously haven't met Kevin....
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By Iron Prime (Dan Van Kampen)
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#541953
Armus wrote: Thu Feb 04, 2021 4:14 pm
Ensign Q wrote: Thu Feb 04, 2021 3:49 pm last time hoss won with a borg deck (once!) was june 2018 in a completely different meta. confirmation bias is strong with this topic
You obviously haven't met Kevin....
QFT
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By Professor Scott (Mathew McCalpin)
 - Delta Quadrant
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#541972
Ensign Q wrote: Thu Feb 04, 2021 5:14 pm This topic isnt about good players anyway
I think he means the topic is about the deck, not the player.
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By Armus (Brian Sykes)
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#541980
Professor Scott wrote: Thu Feb 04, 2021 5:21 pm
Ensign Q wrote: Thu Feb 04, 2021 5:14 pm This topic isnt about good players anyway
I think he means the topic is about the deck, not the player.
You're implying disparity where none exists.... :borg:

That's only half a joke. It's not a new concept that there's a strong correlation between player quality and deck quality. Kevin can play a Kevin deck at the highest level and I wouldn't bet against him. Somebody else taking one of Kevin's decks and playing it... let's just say it depends on the player (Carter obviously did well enough with it in (Not a) Worlds last year, but he's a solid player in his own right)... YMMV

But leaving Kevin Jaeger specifically aside, and just looking at the Battle Borg concept, it's a problem because a) it's fast, b) it's versatile, and c) it's efficient

Usually having all three of those with no downside is a problem.

And yes, there are decks you can build to make life a little harder on Battle Borg, but it's such a meta dominator as to make any deck that's NOT built specifically to combat it virtually unplayable. That's a pretty steep opportunity cost. At the same time, a Battle Borg player going against an anti-Battle Borg deck hardly autoloses... just download solving objectives and have at it.

So it's good at battle, good at solving, and has no bad matchups.

Are we seeing the problem yet?
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By jadziadax8 (Maggie Geppert)
 - Executive Officer
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#542024
BCSWowbagger wrote: Thu Feb 04, 2021 1:51 pm I'd watch that livestream.
I’d set up the CC Zoom room for broadcast. Wanna commentate with me James?
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By BCSWowbagger (James Heaney)
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#542035
Yes, I would! And I'll study up my Borg rules in case a ruling is needed.

And, for the record, I'm not saying that Ensign Q has no chance in this matchup. I think he plays a way Kevin hasn't seen much of, and could have a shot.
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By Ensign Q
 - Delta Quadrant
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#542042
his last deck boils down to a diceroll against tngborg. does it start the game and will the battlebridge fizzle. otherwise tngborg is way faster.

its also nerfed so change of plans cant fetch post garrison to lockout missions anymore (which seemed on of its biggest strength)
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By KazonPADD (Paddy Tye)
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#542043
Ensign Q wrote: Fri Feb 05, 2021 3:00 am his last deck boils down to a diceroll against tngborg. does it start the game and will the battlebridge fizzle. otherwise tngborg is way faster.

its also nerfed so change of plans cant fetch post garrison to lockout missions anymore (which seemed on of its biggest strength)
Pretty sure Kev would redesign his deck to avoid any modern changes
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By sexecutioner (Niall Matthew)
 - Gamma Quadrant
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#542046
You can't get 100 points if you don't have much Personnel :wink:

One of TNG Borg's big weaknesses are the lack of attribute enhancements.

A well timed Undetected Beam In by battle Borg can hit hard.
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By sexecutioner (Niall Matthew)
 - Gamma Quadrant
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#542051
Good luck stopping an army of Talon and Strength drones invading your ship or planet.

Post Garrison has been slowed down, but can still be drawn into and used as a card play :wink:
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By sexecutioner (Niall Matthew)
 - Gamma Quadrant
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#542055
But can you guarantee that you can get it out in time? :wink:
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