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By KazonPADD (Paddy Tye)
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#543454
Except the need for 40 more points
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By Ensign Q
 - Delta Quadrant
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1E The Neutral Zone Regional Champion 2021
#543470
KazonPADD wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 3:03 am Except the need for 40 more points
except the need for homestead. who are u trying to fool with your replys here paddy?

cc took care of that by introducing The Big Picture as basic rule and then effectively removing it from the game completely. incredible consistent gameplay decisions. :?
which empowered soloquads even more. i see a pattern there
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First Edition Creative Manager
By KazonPADD (Paddy Tye)
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Ensign Q wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 7:43 am
KazonPADD wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 3:03 am Except the need for 40 more points
except the need for homestead. who are u trying to fool with your replys here paddy?

cc took care of that by introducing The Big Picture as basic rule and then effectively removing it from the game completely. incredible consistent gameplay decisions. :?
which empowered soloquads even more. i see a pattern there
Think you mean You Are A Monument.

Homestead has it’s own drawbacks - the need for 3 missions!

Back when Delta was “too good”, before YAAM, 2 mission Delta wins were quite common. YAAM contained that, but restricted player choice. Players complained, and then Homestead came out and opened it back up again! It keeps 2 mission DQ wins to a minimum though (noting they can still be achieved, usually using Genesis Device to get to 140 though).
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By sexecutioner (Niall Matthew)
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#543481
Typically, jumping quadrants expends resources beyond RANGE.

Bajoran Wormhole: You need an extra seed slot for The First Stable Wormhole, plus SCIENCE and Nav to be unstopped, plus hope your opponent doesn't use Fire Sculptor to place Schematics out of play

Wormhole Mission II's: Planet only, low point missions, Long Range Scan is useful but not 100% necessary, unless you need to make multiple trips.

Quantum Slipstream: typically a card play, needs full RANGE.

Operate Wormhole Relays: Needs a small ship.

If you attempt at a single Quadrant mission, and you lose key Personnel, you'll need to expend the above resources once, even twice, to get what you need to that mission to solve
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By Mr.Sloan
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sexecutioner wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:57 am Typically, jumping quadrants expends resources beyond RANGE.

Bajoran Wormhole: You need an extra seed slot for The First Stable Wormhole, plus SCIENCE and Nav to be unstopped, plus hope your opponent doesn't use Fire Sculptor to place Schematics out of play

Wormhole Mission II's: Planet only, low point missions, Long Range Scan is useful but not 100% necessary, unless you need to make multiple trips.

Quantum Slipstream: typically a card play, needs full RANGE.

Operate Wormhole Relays: Needs a small ship.

If you attempt at a single Quadrant mission, and you lose key Personnel, you'll need to expend the above resources once, even twice, to get what you need to that mission to solve
I agree to all. Hope there will be a rule that allows crossing quadrants. idealy as bad or weaker then the current methodes, but a generic way to somewhat cross quadrants seems nessecary as interactive decks are useless if others are completly in DQ, GQ or MQ. or if you want to start there but others are in AQ. I am all about at least the POSSIBLITY of a bit of interaction, when both player simply choose their favorit quadrant (DQ for Voyager fans etc.)
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By winterflames (Derek Marlar)
 - Delta Quadrant
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Hit Delta Harder DILEMMAs
Chula: Crossroads is anti Gamma?
Most of the game has been trying to get people to leave the Alpha and Delta Quadrant. Carrots for leaving alpha, sticks for staying in delta.
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By Ensign Q
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Mr.Sloan wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:34 am
I agree to all. Hope there will be a rule that allows crossing quadrants. idealy as bad or weaker then the current methodes, but a generic way to somewhat cross quadrants seems nessecary as interactive decks are useless if others are completly in DQ, GQ or MQ. or if you want to start there but others are in AQ. I am all about at least the POSSIBLITY of a bit of interaction, when both player simply choose their favorit quadrant (DQ for Voyager fans etc.)
bajoran wormholes are already pretty generic. just seed them. anything that makes it even more easy to jump quads, would break everything apart.
i always wondered why where no one doesnt allow to move to other spacelines though.
Last edited by Ensign Q on Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:05 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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By Ensign Q
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sexecutioner wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:57 am Typically, jumping quadrants expends resources beyond RANGE.
whats the point of this answer? that its difficult to reach soloquad players and even further strenghtens their position?
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By Ensign Q
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#543571
winterflames wrote: Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:30 pm Hit Delta Harder DILEMMAs
Chula: Crossroads is anti Gamma?
Most of the game has been trying to get people to leave the Alpha and Delta Quadrant. Carrots for leaving alpha, sticks for staying in delta.
none of this does do anything.
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As someone who has played completely out of the AQ,

[1] Need an extra 40 to win
[2] Radioactive Garbage Scows SUUUUUUUCK (especially against unprepared [SF]. Had to deal with 4 of them on 6 missions before.
[3] Stuff like The Nexus and self-controlling vessels seem to hurt more.
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By WeAreBack
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My :twocents: is that the best way to encourage interactions between players when one player is playing [1E-DQ] is a new version of the Wormhole Terminus location that allows players to download Barzan Wormhole.

Best mechanism for this would be a Wormhole Negotiations II. Just reduce it's value to 30-35 points and make it "any crew can attempt this mission" with a download ability like Historical Research that lets players grab the wormhole.

Unlike all other interquadrant travel to [1E-DQ] , this stable wormhole opens up travel to both players. [1E-DQ] would be more like [1E-GQ] and [MQ]. We might also see some [1E-GQ] decks that try to save a seed card by going this route instead. (Currently, you have to use DS9 or Noah's Mountain retreat and The Emissary to save that slot).

The honest reason I wouldn't use Barzan Wormhole in a [NA] or [Fed] [1E-DQ] in an OTF deck is that it requires me to use a 45 point mission that -- especially thanks to the proliferation of Treachery x 2 personnel since it was issued -- is incredibly easy for my opponent to go solve before I can. Given how easy it is -- notably about as easy as Secret Salvage which is also a Mission II, and can also be solved with Treachery x 4 -- a reduction in point value for the commonly used version of the mission also seems pretty fair.
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By OKCoyote (Daniel Matteson)
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#545650
You do need 40 more points to win if you don't solve in Alpha. The only reason You Are a Monument is banned is because its effect became an OTF game rule.
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By Ensign Q
 - Delta Quadrant
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#545852
stressedoutatumc wrote: Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:49 am As someone who has played completely out of the AQ,

[1] Need an extra 40 to win
[2] Radioactive Garbage Scows SUUUUUUUCK (especially against unprepared [SF]. Had to deal with 4 of them on 6 missions before.
[3] Stuff like The Nexus and self-controlling vessels seem to hurt more.
1. seed homestead
2. how do you face 4 scows in otf?
3. sc stuff leaves the spaceline in like 2 turns
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