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By TyKajada (Alexander Schmitz)
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#599771
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With Horga'hn having received an erratum, how does Arandis work now?

Instead of "May use opponent's Horga'hn to take double turns." do I simply get a card draw or play?

Thanks :cheersL:
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By pfti (Jon Carter)
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2E Cardassia Regional Champion 2023
#599772
I think as of now you still get double turns
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By pfti (Jon Carter)
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#599773
So if she is on the table, I would avoid solving planet missions if at all possible
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By BCSWowbagger (James Heaney)
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#599776
pfti wrote: Mon May 29, 2023 7:06 pm I think as of now you still get double turns
I can confirm this.
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 - Gamma Quadrant
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#599777
pfti wrote: Mon May 29, 2023 7:07 pm So if she is on the table, I would avoid solving planet missions if at all possible
But wait a tick Basil, what if your opponent double bluffs and puts cryo satellite+ Horghan under your space missions instead......
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By Takket
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#599780
Yeah, dang..... i suppose the best method is to make sure you can't complete the mission, clear out all the dilemmas, then come back to it later. But if your opponent sets up the [Art] with lack of preps that strategy will cost you 20 points (if you hit it at two locations) and ruin your day lol.

Errata text: May make parallel use of opponent's Horgan.
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By BCSWowbagger (James Heaney)
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#599786
Is anyone actually doing this cheese? Is it as good as it looks on paper? I believe Arandis has been watch-listed for this, but I think it is not banhammer time just yet.
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#599789
BCSWowbagger wrote: Mon May 29, 2023 10:07 pm Is anyone actually doing this cheese? Is it as good as it looks on paper? I believe Arandis has been watch-listed for this, but I think it is not banhammer time just yet.

Hasn't been out long enough yet but I would think someone might. That person might end up being me as I have my decks ready for regional season so I have the time to workshop this..... *Shrug*

But my first impression is that it won't be all that good as there are too many ways around it :

1. Borg don't aquire artifacts without the survey drone so you probably just auto lose to Borg decks or at best, bury your investment at a single mission you don't think they will scout and hope to win a fair game.
2. Various scanning will likely see it, read and react. Geordi's eyes, orb experience, science lab to maneuver.
3. Two mission win decks tend to solve both missions in quick succession so you might gain 1 double turn before you lose anyway.
4. Battle decks will just put your teeth to the curb before ever solving so you get some double turns around garbage time OR you found a way in front of the battle deck and you never get them because they don't matter.
 
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#599796
Didn't realize it was already watchlisted (May 3, wow that was fast!) but makes sense for now.

I've thought about this kind of deck the last few weeks and I'm not sure how broken it would actually be... expanding on Hoss-Drone's point 3, I've been struggling with how easy to make the dilemmas at the Horga'hn missions. Make them too easy and you may be helping your opponent more than you, if the combos are standard difficulty you won't get many turns out of it anyway.

And if you seed Arandis your opponent will know what's coming and can wait to megateam their missions (following standard procedure when faicng Defend Homeworld mass-download).
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By winterflames (Derek Marlar)
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#599797
I seed Arandis with Youth Simon and Music Amarie mission specialists to solve Risa for bonuses.

Not to argue with anyone, just saying my preferred way to get an early mission.
 
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#599812
Not arguing either, just somewhat glad to see Arandis is being discussed again (and that you use her for regular things!). The only other time I've her actively discussed was for Q-Bypassing >20 years ago and even then there were other better ways to do that.

Since Hoss-Drone already started with the Austin Powers quotes, maybe Arandis is semi-cheese. Quasi-cheese. The Velveeta of cheese. The Diet Coke of cheese: just one combo, not cheesy enough...
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By WeAreBack
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#599817
Notably, the original printing of Writ of Accountability catches people for using a Horghan more than twice regardless of it's their own Horghan or someone else's.

Since the decision was taken to remove this power from Writ, it seems like a no-brainer to errata Arandis so that she reads "You may use an opponent's Horghan." Use it to do what? Well, exactly what it says it does and not something not printed on the card.
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By BCSWowbagger (James Heaney)
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#599826
edgeofhearing wrote: Mon May 29, 2023 10:10 pm This may be the reason I need to seed Arandis in my Nostalgia deck.
The ultimate bluff would be to seed Arandis, freaking me the heck out about Horga'hn, and then not actually seed a Horga'hn.
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#599829
BCSWowbagger wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 1:29 pm
edgeofhearing wrote: Mon May 29, 2023 10:10 pm This may be the reason I need to seed Arandis in my Nostalgia deck.
The ultimate bluff would be to seed Arandis, freaking me the heck out about Horga'hn, and then not actually seed a Horga'hn.
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